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owlcountry40 said

They do and they should every kid that come to any school should want to start from day one.
Posted On: Jan 5th 2015, 4:29 PM #340470

Completely disagree.  You should choose a program that will DEVELOP you into the best player you can become.  That should be a major reason you pick a program, will the coaching staff be able to develop me in a few years into a DI football player and the best athlete I can be.

Thats why the facilities we are building and the nutrition program we implemented is so vital.  The reality is, most kids have a lot of learning and developing to do when they arrive on campus.  High Schools dont have these kids ready for that.  Most dont show up in August fresh out of high school ready to be a DI football player.  The ones that do, usually go to big programs.

Teambeer is the most knowledgeable FAU sports fan I know, way smarter than me.
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walty12 said

owlcountry40 said

They do and they should every kid that come to any school should want to start from day one.
Posted On: Jan 5th 2015, 4:29 PM #340470

Completely disagree.  You should choose a program that will DEVELOP you into the best player you can become.  That should be a major reason you pick a program, will the coaching staff be able to develop me in a few years into a DI football player and the best athlete I can be.

Thats why the facilities we are building and the nutrition program we implemented is so vital.  The reality is, most kids have a lot of learning and developing to do when they arrive on campus.  High Schools dont have these kids ready for that.  Most dont show up in August fresh out of high school ready to be a DI football player.  The ones that do, usually go to big programs.
Posted On: Jan 5th 2015, 7:59 PM #340474

yea yea that all sounds good but I want kids with some attitude and want come into a program and want to beat the guy in front on the depth chart. They might not be able to but I dont want any kid that's ok with sitting on a bench.
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Im not saying kids shouldn't be confident…I am more stating that expectations with our fan base need to be set and realistic.  To expect Charlie to recruit kids that can come in as freshman and make a huge difference in our win/loss record next year is not realistic.

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Walty12.. are you saying that OC is completely wrong that a kid coming in should not want to start or think that he is good enough to start on day 1 ? I want ALL my kids to think that.  Is it reality? No. But I still want them to think that and carry themselves that way. Miami calls it swagger. I call it extreme confidence in your ability.
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That's all and good but coach sat the HS level are trying to push nutritional programs but once the athletes leave school it is out of their hands. To truly implement a nutritional plan at the HS level is hard and costly especially when cafeterias are trying to meet new federal nutritional standards. 

I would like kids to come in to compete for starting jobs but I also want the to take the time to develop and mature as a person to and having the commitment to stay is a big part of that. 
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USMCOWL said

…especially when cafeterias are trying to meet new federal nutritional standards. 
Posted On: Jan 5th 2015, 9:15 PM #340479

You mean like the standard that ketchup is a "vegetable"?

Ketchup Is a Vegetable? Again? - The Atlantic

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Local Owl said

Walty12.. are you saying that OC is completely wrong that a kid coming in should not want to start or think that he is good enough to start on day 1 ? I want ALL my kids to think that.  Is it reality? No. But I still want them to think that and carry themselves that way. Miami calls it swagger. I call it extreme confidence in your ability.
Posted On: Jan 5th 2015, 8:55 PM #340477

I am saying that having freshman start in college football is 90% of the time NOT a good thing.  You just refer to a program that hasn't been successful in over a decade as having "swagger"?  You referring to the swagger they had in 2003?

Some fans seem to get college football mixed up with the NFL is my point.  Incoming high school freshman are NOT supposed to be ready to start as true freshman…they are not free agents coming in as experienced upgrades.  

The reason University's put so much money into coaching, facilities, nutrition etc is because they realize they have to coach up and develop these kids over the 4-5 years they are part of the program.  

With all of the gains and learning experience you SHOULD get out of your college football program, I would say its a failure of the program 90% of the time to have freshman starting.  After 3-4 years of development in a program you should be better than most incoming freshman.  If not, there is a problem.

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walty12 said

David Slavic said

owlcountry40 said

Well its hard to win games when you have below avg recruiting classes so you either have to win games with below AVG players to boost recruiting or recruit good players with a poor record. Right now we are at tipping point with the so called FAB15 if a couple more kids like causey and someone else drop it could be and a meh class.

I will say this I do think Charlie has some guys up his sleeve that we could possible flip.
This time of year the big schools might have 40 kids who think they are committed and as the big schools lad the 4* and 5* guys some kids are left out in the cold.

Posted On: Jan 5th 2015, 11:27 AM #340457

I completely agree, and it's kind of a catch-22. But looking at the games that we lost, two were by one point, and two were by three points. We should have won those, even with our below-average roster. I think if we win those, we keep our recruits because we'd be promising a nine or ten win season and playing for a conference championship, not a six or seven win season with a possible bowl invite.

And you're right, if we lose another one or two recruits, we go from best class ever to just another mediocre class, and hoping to get six wins next year.
Posted On: Jan 5th 2015, 11:49 AM #340458

I am not sure I get it…why do you think the incoming freshman class has anything to do with the number of wins next year?

MAYBE 3-4 of the freshman will see limited playing time with 1-2 starting in a position of need.  

This is the thing that kills me about recruiting and fans, this isn't the NFL where you sign free agents and immediately get better.  You recruit a class where 80% of the kids wont reach potential or have a big impact until at LEAST thier 2nd full season.

The seniors and juniors next year that will make up the majority of the playing time, are from HS and Carl Pelini's recruiting classes.
Posted On: Jan 5th 2015, 2:23 PM #340460

I actually agree with you! At Alabama, it's generally expected that you redshirt, then wait your turn to start. That's kind of the blueprint lately for sustained success, because you always have a pipeline of developed players reloading for the ones that graduate or go to the NFL. My point is that we need to win those games that we lost so closely, in order to keep the recruits that we have. Not because those true freshmen will contribute right away, but because if they're committing to us now, they're committing to a bad program rebuilding after a previous failed rebuild. They'll sit the bench for a couple of years on one of the worst teams in one of the worst conferences. Why not go sit at Cal or IU or even USF? BUT if we'd won those four games, they'd be committing to a winning school that is only improving. That would be exciting and fun and they'd be legends here. That's easy to sell, and easy to buy into. Much harder to sell kids on being the foundation for improving a terrible team.
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I don't know where you guys get the idea that most kids ride the bench for three years at big schools.
Many make an impact as a freshman and the rest are getting solid playing time as RS freshman.
These schools also produce many kids who leave for the NFl early even increasing the chances younger kids get to play.
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owlcountry40 said

I don't know where you guys get the idea that most kids ride the bench for three years at big schools.
Many make an impact as a freshman and the rest are getting solid playing time as RS freshman.
These schools also produce many kids who leave for the NFl early even increasing the chances younger kids get to play.
Posted On: Jan 6th 2015, 2:11 PM #340486
My earlier post….

"Exactly, 7.  Like I said 2 or 3 might start, 3-4 will contribute.

I understand the kids committed right now are talented, but the reality is they are 18 years old.  They need to learn the college game and physically mature in a college program.

Unfortunately, due to poor attrition rates and a lack of depth in the secondary and linebacker corps we might see freshman play.  One of the main factors in the "star" system is how ready they are to have an impact in college immediately.  Those are high level 4 star and 5 star players.   The reason most are 2 and 3 star kids is because they will need to develop in a program."

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