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jgf2017 said

Now youíre talking in great detail about FIUís qualifications for the AAC without taking into account that this isnít an FIU message board and youíre really just trying to let everyone know how important you are. At least you couldíve read my entire message. Itís one thing to bring up ďcontroversialĒ comments about Latin America. Itís amother to hijack this thread with ridiculous information about a school that you should be saying this about on your own message board, which I havenít been on and donít plan on it. I wouldnít even move back if I could get a house half off. Why did you deem it prudent to completely ignore the point I made?
Posted On: Jun 29th 2019, 10:13 AM #387008

At least they are here. And I am glad they are, it is nice to see new faces.

So, lets keep the air friendly…

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When FIU got invited to CUSA before us it kind of showed that FIU is in a better market than us.  I think for the most part we've always been even or slightly superior when it comes to records, attendance, facilities, etc.  That did not matter last time as the differences were negligible and still are, plus they are in a better market.  If we want to position ourselves ahead of FIU, we need to increase attendance a lot, build a new arena, build a new baseball stadium, improve academically, put money in the coffers and so on.  All that to say, we will be in CUSA for quite some time.
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Art Vandelay said

JulesFIU07 said

Art Vandelay said

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jgf2017 said

To see how big FAUís media market we have to realize itís a really big area. Our great AD constantly mentions becoming Palm Beach Countyís team. So I think our area is a lot bigger than the list would suggest. This is where a big win over USF and ucf could come into the equation. Our territory is all of PBC, parts of north Broward and that includes Glades and Pahookie and a couple hours north of FAU. No college anywhere close to FAU has an on campus stadium, if you donít want to go to Latin America†
Posted On: Jun 28th 2019, 9:40 AM #386991



Like I am sure a fair number of FAU fans do, this FIU fan occasionally keeps tabs on what our neighbors to the north are up to. †I found this, and few other comments by you interesting.

On more than one occasion youíve referred to FIU as the ďUniversidad,Ē youíve called the area around the university a dump, questioned why anyone would move to Miami; and then referred to Miami as ďLatin America, as if that is an insult.

At the same time youíve touted FAU for its diversity, Boca for its location and wealth.

Letís touch on a few of these things.

One, university surroundings. †Yeah, Sweetwater is not your typical college town, but then neither is the area around USF. †The area around UCF ten years ago was also a dump. However, a rush of student-centric development rapidly changed the demography of the surrounding area.

Today over 2,000 beds are going up in Sweetwater for students, with more student housing coming. †In fact, I spoke with an urban planner on Wednesday who told me he has never seen so much privately funded student housing go up so quickly as he has at FIU, which indicates pent up demand and an underserved market.

Two, you bring up diversity whilst simultaneously knocking FIUís large Lat Am population. †I donít know if you know this, but from a diversity standpoint this makes FIU one of the most culturally diverse institutions in the country, that is unless you think Cubans and Chileans are the same thing.

Three, Latin America. †Yes, the city of Miami is the financial and cultural capital of Latin America. That means that multiple major corporations have their Lat Am HQs in Miami. †Multiple major Lat Am corporations have their North American HQs in Miami.

It also means we have a large television, music, and arts scene that is of hemispheric importance.

It is because of our deep connection to Latin America that I was lucky enough to work for a Wall Street firm, and then actually move to a better job with a Sanhattan (look it up) based global financial institution whoís North American HQ is right here in Miami.

Finally, wealth. †Youíve brought up all the rich people in Boca. †I got bad news for you, Boca ainít Palm Beach, and Palm Beach isnít the Mecca for money it once was. †That title now belongs to the coastal communities of Miami.

The median household income of Fisher Island, Golden Beach, Indian Creek, and Key Biscayne are all greater than Boca; and those are just the coastal communities, Pinecrest and Miami Shores are higher too.

The flood of Northeasterners to Florida has been most acutely felt in Dade, where the bottom 90% of Miami Beach homes now sell for $1.65 million, and the top 10% average over $10 million. †Where hedgies buy condos for anywhere from $5 million to $70 million.

And do you know why they come to Miami? †Because we are global, because we are a little gritty and edgy, because we ainít vanilla.

As for the AAC, it is a crap shoot for all of us.
Posted On: Jun 28th 2019, 10:13 PM #386998


You're absolutely right to call out that hypocrisy (and I wish you didn't have to).

This is of a comically lesser scale…

FIU (at the time of this post or 11PM) is 18 minutes from Pinecrest, 25 minutes to Miami Shores, 31 to Key Biscayne, 40 to Golden Beach, 41 to Indian Creek and 51 minutes from Fisher Island.

I'm glad to see you on the board. What's the word down south on AAC rumors, hopes and dreams?



Posted On: Jun 28th 2019, 11:10 PM #387000



Several things.

One, the drive times donít matter much. †If you elect to live in a large city it is just a fact of life. †For example, UCF is 30-45†minutes from downtown Orlando, but the students from there†still make the drive to hang out in that areaís bars. †Ditto for USF and South Howard, where the bars are clustered there is a good 30-40 minute drive on a Friday or Saturday night.

Using current drive times, the distance from FIUís main campus to Wynwood, is 25 minutes, the same as current drive times from USF to South Howard or UCF to Downtown.

Also, correct me if I am wrong, but I donít believe Boca has any top of analog for Wynwood, Brickell, or Downtown Miami?

Two, having said that a bit of a commute is just a fact of urban life, it is also worth pointing out that it is very rare for a large public university to be located in an area with the highest real estate values and most affluent residents. †ASU is in Tempe, not Scottsdale, FAU isnít in the nicest part of Boca, UCF isnít in Winter Park, USF isnít in South Tampa; so it stands to reason that FIU wouldnít be in their Miami analogs either.

For what is worth, even UM is somehow located next to the only public housing in Coral Gables.

Finally, AAC. †I think we are realistic.

Some things work for us. †Academically we match up well with AAC schools save for SMU and Tulane. †We have 60,000 students, 230,000 or so alumni; of which a large number live in Dade and Broward counties. †I think we have 45,000 in Broward and 170,000 in Dade. †So a large potential fan base.

We are located in one of only two major SE media markets the AAC doesnít touch. †We are also down the street from an ACC school, which might help with the whole P6 angle the AAC is taking.

We have good training facilities, and have seen success recently in football and basketball; with Butch and Ballard bringing in talent that is now comparable to AAC schools.

All those positives being said, we suffer from the same problems you all do. †Generally apathetic potential fan base, success has only been recent, facilities that need improvement; and two schools that may not want us to move up.

I think if we really want to move into the AAC we have to do what your athletic department did, incur $80+ million in debt and get sizable direct institutional support, at least in the near term, to finish, upgrade, or build new facilities.
Posted On: Jun 29th 2019, 7:12 AM #387002

I was being (at least I thought I was) a bit tongue and cheek. I only gave the drive-times for the cities (parts of town?) that you mentioned. And I'm not entirely sure those are where the FIU fan-base lives…

It's the thing-in-itself. Oviedo isn't Orlando. Temple Terrace isn't Tampa. Sweetwater might be in the "Great Miami Area" but here, Miami isn't Miami. We're guilty too . I don't know who brought up Palm Beach?! It's talking about the city but living in Hoboken.

Boca's got some stuff too (Delray and Deerfield Beaches, our own beach is 1.8 miles away… And, in fifty minutes, we can be in downtown Miami on the weekends too)

Anyway. It sounds like everyone in CUSA is selling themselves the idea of the AAC for all the same reasons.
Posted On: Jun 29th 2019, 10:29 AM #387009



I was touching on neighborhoods where students can hangout, as for where alums live, the answer is all over South Florida.

I donít know if Boca to Downtown is 50 minutes; but at the end of the day this is all the same metro area. †Downtown Miami and Miami Beach are the two biggest regional draws, so people from all over will drive or take the Brightline down here.

And yes, we all view the AAC the same way, and the AAC knows it.
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Stop saying that FIU is a better college. Doesnít anyone have any respect. Well, on second thought heís not parading around his hideous mug in an effort to gain a career.†
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jgf2017 said

You neglected to address the issue I raised. The issue was that the gulf between rich and poor in Miami is worst in the country. The traffic, on roads that werenít meant for mass transit, is also the worst in the country. When you talk about all the ultra rich people in Miami, youíre proving my point. Did you read my entire post? Iím not going to go into personal details but letís just say my family, and just about every upper middle class family, couldnít get out of there fast enough.†
Now youíre talking in great detail about FIUís qualifications for the AAC without taking into account that this isnít an FIU message board and youíre really just trying to let everyone know how important you are. At least you couldíve read my entire message. Itís one thing to bring up ďcontroversialĒ comments about Latin America. Itís amother to hijack this thread with ridiculous information about a school that you should be saying this about on your own message board, which I havenít been on and donít plan on it. I wouldnít even move back if I could get a house half off. Why did you deem it prudent to completely ignore the point I made?
Posted On: Jun 29th 2019, 10:13 AM #387008



Well I actually didnít when I brought up all the communities that are upper middle to upper income. †Simply put there are more upper middle income communities in Dade than Broward or Palm, and their median incomes are higher, so no, the people that fled were replaced by people who earn more. †

You said no one wants to be in Miami, given the sheer number of people paying top dollar to be here, your point is demonstrably wrong.

Is there income inequality? †Sure, that is a national issue, not a Miami one. †This is also addressed in another response.

You clearly intended the Latin America comment to be a dig, when our connection to Latin America has been our greatest source of economic strength.

Finally, one of your fellow fans asked me my thoughts as an FIU fan, I addressed their question. †You do not get to dictate other peopleís questions or conversations.

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owlmart said

When FIU got invited to CUSA before us it kind of showed that FIU is in a better market than us.  I think for the most part we've always been even or slightly superior when it comes to records, attendance, facilities, etc.  That did not matter last time as the differences were negligible and still are, plus they are in a better market.  If we want to position ourselves ahead of FIU, we need to increase attendance a lot, build a new arena, build a new baseball stadium, improve academically, put money in the coffers and so on.  All that to say, we will be in CUSA for quite some time.
Posted On: Jun 29th 2019, 11:53 AM #387012



For some odd reason all of South Florida isnít one media market. †Dade and Broward are one, and Palm to St. Lucie are another.

What that does is make both markets appear smaller than they actually are. †As one market we are the 6th largest in the country, as separate ones I think Miami is like 16 and Palm Beach is in the top 35.

I think there is a million household delta between Miami-Broward and Palm-St. Lucie.
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What youíre saying is incredibly innacurate. There was an exodus of upper middle class people to either Highly exclusive communities, or Broward and Palm Beach Counties. The reason the ones that stayed are now almost predominantly in wealthy, isolated communities is because Miami is a dump.

Youíre absolutely wrong. There wasnt a great amount of upper middle class people that replaced them. It was all rich people. Now thereís all sorts of unfortunate situations going on between long time residents and people who just moved to Miami. Youíre providing innacurrate information. You have no idea what youíre talking about. Why do you constantly bring up the more rich people in Miami. Youíre proving my point. I said thatís the problem. Again, you have absolutely no idea what youíre talking about. Youíre completely wrong. How many times do I have to tel you that itís the rich people that are the problem. And then you come back at me and tel me thereís a lot of rich people. Duh!†
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jgf2017 said

What youíre saying is incredibly innacurate. There was an exodus of upper middle class people to either Highly exclusive communities, or Broward and Palm Beach Counties. The reason the ones that stayed are now almost predominantly in wealthy, isolated communities is because Miami is a dump.

Youíre absolutely wrong. There wasnt a great amount of upper middle class people that replaced them. It was all rich people. Now thereís all sorts of unfortunate situations going on between long time residents and people who just moved to Miami. Youíre providing innacurrate information. You have no idea what youíre talking about. Why do you constantly bring up the more rich people in Miami. Youíre proving my point. I said thatís the problem. Again, you have absolutely no idea what youíre talking about. Youíre completely wrong. How many times do I have to tel you that itís the rich people that are the problem. And then you come back at me and tel me thereís a lot of rich people. Duh!†
Posted On: Jun 29th 2019, 2:00 PM #387018



Look, I commented on here because, as a third generation Miamian and someone whose family and have personally been involved with supporting the growth of this community,†I will defend it when someone grossly mischaracterizes it.

Now you have moved the goal posts a couple of times, but ignoring that fact, here we go.

Save for Fisher Island and Indian Creek, none of the communities I mentioned are exclusively for the ultra wealthy. †In fact, several of the neighborhoods and cities I mentioned are either in the City of Miami, or within the urban core; and all are easily accessible.

You hate Miami, fine, your prerogative. †It is too international, too expensive, too gritty; whatever, it is a global gateway city and the heart of the 7th largest metro area in America. †It is going to have rich areas, poor areas, and middle class areas. †

You like PBC, great, be happy up there. †Whatever you think makes it better, cherish it; but your personal tastes arenít facts, and donít dictate what is appealing to consumers and residents at large.

Everyone else, more than happy to discuss AAC, CUSA, any questions you have about FIU; and, if you find yourself headed to Miami, more than happy to provide recommendations for restaurants, bars, and other activities.

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Rick said

jgf2017 said

Now youíre talking in great detail about FIUís qualifications for the AAC without taking into account that this isnít an FIU message board and youíre really just trying to let everyone know how important you are. At least you couldíve read my entire message. Itís one thing to bring up ďcontroversialĒ comments about Latin America. Itís amother to hijack this thread with ridiculous information about a school that you should be saying this about on your own message board, which I havenít been on and donít plan on it. I wouldnít even move back if I could get a house half off. Why did you deem it prudent to completely ignore the point I made?
Posted On: Jun 29th 2019, 10:13 AM #387008

At least they are here. And I am glad they are, it is nice to see new faces.

So, lets keep the air friendly…


Posted On: Jun 29th 2019, 10:37 AM #387011



Thank you Rick.
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I donít think anyone cares about†
Miami and has questions for you about FIU. Thatís all you. And by the way, my family had a much longer history in Miami than yours. And it seems to me like youíre trying to convince people of how FIU is better than FAU. It doesnít take a genius to figure that out.
As you have undoubtedly reviewed every single post Iíve ever made, you should also see that I never really said anything bad about FIU other than to try to poke fun about it but if I was too controversial Iím sorry. I donít believe, besides that and saying itís a dump, I donít believe Iíve trashed the school. I never said the school sucks and is always going to suck, or anything like that.†
However, Iím not going to say theyíre great either, as this is not the place for it. In fact, thatís the advice Iím giving you.†
Give it a break with your trumpeting FIU and Miami. Respect the fact that this is not the place. Havenít you guys gotten terrorized by us on the field lately? Well, that should be your answer if you ever wonder whether you should keep on saying FIU is all that. We have been crushing you guys. End of story
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