GeorgiaOwl said

Not good but really just means three less recruits we have never heard of till signing day. But then again with the new stadium, it will hurt a little more unless we really sell the fewer scholly opportunities to get better, quicker and firmer commitments. Go Owls!

Just want to discuss the "recruits we have never heard of till signing day."

I know we all love FAU and think every 4 star and 5 star heralded player should go there but…

If you truly think you could sell kids the last 10 years to come to our program and play at a place like Lockhart over a program like UF, Georgia, Michigan, Ohio State, FSU, Bama, etc.  I hope you are a salesman and a millionaire cause if not you have missed your calling friend.

If there are going to be legitamate gripes they have to be in prespective.  Most other coaches would have had trouble winning a game at Lockhart.

GeorgiaOwl said

Mostly it just shows the budget differences in the BigSix to the have not's (us).

We just don't have the budget for adequate compliance and/or tutoring programs that the big boys do. Hopefully another thing that changes with the new stadium and if we can avaerage 20K plus in attendance we will better be able to.

I beleive the "break-even" for the stadium budget was set really low at something like 12K in attendance to help ensure this thing pays for itself and does not break the athletic department or the school.

Not true either.

MTSU, our fellow Sun Belt confrence mate, has made TREMEDOUS efforts to address APR. A few years ago they got a heavy slap for it and made it a focus. This year they were actually  won an award for thier outstanding APR record.

It can be done at a 'Belt school. It just has to be a priority. And I would think now that the stadium is going to get done should be the next on the agenda.

Well it is true, but as you say, it HAS TO BE MADE A PRIORITY no matter the budget.

You should want to keep all of your recruits in school if not at least eligible to play. And for some reason it has not. And it may be the kid's fault for not doing as told or trying hard enough. Like our admissions standards are growing, so too will our recruiting standards, both in athletic and academic ability.

Go Owls - and the stadium looking BEAUTIFUL!

walty12 said

GeorgiaOwl said

Not good but really just means three less recruits we have never heard of till signing day. But then again with the new stadium, it will hurt a little more unless we really sell the fewer scholly opportunities to get better, quicker and firmer commitments. Go Owls!

Just want to discuss the "recruits we have never heard of till signing day."

I know we all love FAU and think every 4 star and 5 star heralded player should go there but…

If you truly think you could sell kids the last 10 years to come to our program and play at a place like Lockhart over a program like UF, Georgia, Michigan, Ohio State, FSU, Bama, etc.  I hope you are a salesman and a millionaire cause if not you have missed your calling friend.

If there are going to be legitamate gripes they have to be in prespective.  Most other coaches would have had trouble winning a game at Lockhart.

I don't think many of us here think that we are going to get 4-5 star recruits…at least I for sure don't think so. However, allowing this to happen 4 years in a row is a problem when the kids we are bringing in aren't the best athletes nor the best students. There is no excuse for this happening 4 years in a row. One, maybe two years at most. But after that there's a serious problem.

FAUfasho said

walty12 said

GeorgiaOwl said

Not good but really just means three less recruits we have never heard of till signing day. But then again with the new stadium, it will hurt a little more unless we really sell the fewer scholly opportunities to get better, quicker and firmer commitments. Go Owls!

Just want to discuss the "recruits we have never heard of till signing day."

I know we all love FAU and think every 4 star and 5 star heralded player should go there but…

If you truly think you could sell kids the last 10 years to come to our program and play at a place like Lockhart over a program like UF, Georgia, Michigan, Ohio State, FSU, Bama, etc.  I hope you are a salesman and a millionaire cause if not you have missed your calling friend.

If there are going to be legitamate gripes they have to be in prespective.  Most other coaches would have had trouble winning a game at Lockhart.

I don't think many of us here think that we are going to get 4-5 star recruits…at least I for sure don't think so. However, allowing this to happen 4 years in a row is a problem when the kids we are bringing in aren't the best athletes nor the best students. There is no excuse for this happening 4 years in a row. One, maybe two years at most. But after that there's a serious problem.

Its arguable that we had the most talent in the SunBelt last year as a whole.  College football isn't that easy though.  Its about timing as well, especially when you run a pro-style offense.  Players only stay 4 years (except Xavier Stinson who has been there 10  ;D).  Players cycle out and our OL got the best of us last season.  Hopefully they play better this fall and give our offense time to develop plays.

Every program has its ups and downs…I think Howards resume with us and before us earns and demands our faith.  I dont think our coaching is the problem, I think our facilities and reputation due to them being terrible for a decade has been the problem.  I think we all agree that our program with Howard would be in completely different shape if we had a stadium since 2006.  I dont think he has lost it, I think our planning for a facility for him lost it.

We are working on fixing that as I type this.  Our fans just forget that FIU with even better facilities than us went 1-23 at one point…and so would we if not for HS.  He is the only reason that our worst year playing at Lockhart (where I once went and watched my cousin play a JV soccer game, girls soccer) is 4-8.  Dont give me this recruiting hotbed stuff…that has been figured out by the rest of the country…hence why Miami will NEVER be a power house again and FIU has been terrible 9 out of 10 years.

We get it Walty, there is nothing wrong with the program and Howard is our savior. Our recruitment is fine and we are the most talented team in the conference. Yet we won four games last year. But it's not the coaching staff's fault in any way. You always bash other programs for having bad kids, but we just lost 3 scholarships for bad grades after four straight years of them- and according to you it's a minor problem.

Your right programs will always have up and down years, but there is nothing wrong with a fan pointing out the faults, thats part of following a team, and maybe you should look into that. Yes we would be no where without Howard, but i think a lot of people on this board are opening up there eyes and eagerly waiting for a post howard era.

And yes you have expressed how our program has had 'good' kids unlike UF. You want to know why none of our players have been reported as arrested? because this isn't gainesville and some reporter isn't scanning the mugshots every night. Is FAU wide receiver Avery Holley arrested going to make the bottom line? No, because no one around the nation cares about it.  Ive seen our players at bars and in fights and i know what they do, unlike you.

We get it Walty, there is nothing wrong with the program and Howard is our savior. Our recruitment is fine and we are the most talented team in the conference. Yet we won four games last year. But it's not the coaching staff's fault in any way. You always bash other programs for having bad kids, but we just lost 3 scholarships for bad grades after four straight years of them- and according to you it's a minor problem.

You do understand the differnce between going to jail and failing astronomy right?  
I dont bash anybody, I post articles from the newspaper.  They bash themselves.

Your right programs will always have up and down years, but there is nothing wrong with a fan pointing out the faults, thats part of following a team, and maybe you should look into that. Yes we would be no where without Howard, but i think a lot of people on this board are opening up there eyes and eagerly waiting for a post howard era.

I dont think you fully understand the dynamic of our program or college football and think your arguments against Howard are unjust.  Explain why FIU and Western Kentucky have had much harder time with success and FAU set records?  I beg of you to just explain that one thing kid.

And yes you have expressed how our program has had 'good' kids unlike UF. You want to know why none of our players have been reported as arrested? because this isn't gainesville and some reporter isn't scanning the mugshots every night. Is FAU wide receiver Avery Holley arrested going to make the bottom line? No, because no one around the nation cares about it.  Ive seen our players at bars and in fights and i know what they do, unlike you.

I have been in bar fights with our players buddy…you dont know anything about me.  I know it takes about 20 times doing something worth getting arrested for as a UF player and they still manage.  Its not my opinion boss, read the articles on espn or sports illustrated…its a serious problem for that program.

walty12 said

We get it Walty, there is nothing wrong with the program and Howard is our savior. Our recruitment is fine and we are the most talented team in the conference. Yet we won four games last year. But it's not the coaching staff's fault in any way. You always bash other programs for having bad kids, but we just lost 3 scholarships for bad grades after four straight years of them- and according to you it's a minor problem.

You do understand the differnce between going to jail and failing astronomy right?  
I dont bash anybody, I post articles from the newspaper.  They bash themselves.

Your right programs will always have up and down years, but there is nothing wrong with a fan pointing out the faults, thats part of following a team, and maybe you should look into that. Yes we would be no where without Howard, but i think a lot of people on this board are opening up there eyes and eagerly waiting for a post howard era.

I dont think you fully understand the dynamic of our program or college football and think your arguments against Howard are unjust.  Explain why FIU and Western Kentucky have had much harder time with success and FAU set records?  I beg of you to just explain that one thing kid.

And yes you have expressed how our program has had 'good' kids unlike UF. You want to know why none of our players have been reported as arrested? because this isn't gainesville and some reporter isn't scanning the mugshots every night. Is FAU wide receiver Avery Holley arrested going to make the bottom line? No, because no one around the nation cares about it.  Ive seen our players at bars and in fights and i know what they do, unlike you.

I have been in bar fights with our players buddy…you dont know anything about me.  I know it takes about 20 times doing something worth getting arrested for as a UF player and they still manage.  Its not my opinion boss, read the articles on espn or sports illustrated…its a serious problem for that program.

Wooh Walty dont blow a fuse! I get it, you don't like me.

Are you saying there are honestly no drug or character problems in our program ?

Did you not once type this….?
"Wrong, I dont want scumbags to ever represent me or my University.  If FAU sports ever had that ridiculousness going on I would stop donating and attending all events." -Walty12 Reply #5 on: April 25, 2011, 04:23:26 PM

So you admit to being in a bar fight with our current players, but don't find them as "scumbags"? interesting… Yet you will glady post an "article" about some player being in a bar fight, poking at another program.

walty12 said

Every program has its ups and downs…I think Howards resume with us and before us earns and demands our faith.  I dont think our coaching is the problem, I think our facilities and reputation due to them being terrible for a decade has been the problem.  I think we all agree that our program with Howard would be in completely different shape if we had a stadium since 2006.  I dont think he has lost it, I think our planning for a facility for him lost it.

Since you mentioned this…I COMPLETELY understand that programs have up and down years. Its a natural part of a football program. I've said before that my biggest beef with the coaching staff is that we did not use our conference championship, two bowl wins and our record setting rise to somewhat relevancy in football to our benefit. I think LAST year should have been, if not then the year before when Rusty went down. We had a lot of seniors graduate, new O-line, new QB, no receivers (even though Jean showed he was good). That being said, the continued downward spiral from 7-6-5-4 wins is a direct reflection of the coaching staff. We should have had better talent coming in to keep us from going 4-8, and everyone knows we were pretty lucky win that many.

I'm holding off my final judgement on this coaching staff until after this season coming up. If we continue to lose then the fault on squarely on the coaching staff's shoulders. And before Walty flames me for saying that…I, just like everyone else no without a shadow of a doubt that Howard Schnellenberger is the sole reason for this program having any type of expectations. He should have a statue outside the stadium even before it opens. However, if we continue to lose then its obvious to see that we need a coaching change (Hire Leach) in order to turn our extremely young program back in the right direction.

FAU is in a unique situation. The amount of Freshman coming in can play a HUGE role in the growth and development of tradition at FAU. If we can give them something to be proud of for a couple years in a row then we will be off and running to a more "traditional" university.

owlcountry40 said

walty12 said

We get it Walty, there is nothing wrong with the program and Howard is our savior. Our recruitment is fine and we are the most talented team in the conference. Yet we won four games last year. But it's not the coaching staff's fault in any way. You always bash other programs for having bad kids, but we just lost 3 scholarships for bad grades after four straight years of them- and according to you it's a minor problem.

You do understand the differnce between going to jail and failing astronomy right?  
I dont bash anybody, I post articles from the newspaper.  They bash themselves.

Your right programs will always have up and down years, but there is nothing wrong with a fan pointing out the faults, thats part of following a team, and maybe you should look into that. Yes we would be no where without Howard, but i think a lot of people on this board are opening up there eyes and eagerly waiting for a post howard era.

I dont think you fully understand the dynamic of our program or college football and think your arguments against Howard are unjust.  Explain why FIU and Western Kentucky have had much harder time with success and FAU set records?  I beg of you to just explain that one thing kid.

And yes you have expressed how our program has had 'good' kids unlike UF. You want to know why none of our players have been reported as arrested? because this isn't gainesville and some reporter isn't scanning the mugshots every night. Is FAU wide receiver Avery Holley arrested going to make the bottom line? No, because no one around the nation cares about it.  Ive seen our players at bars and in fights and i know what they do, unlike you.

I have been in bar fights with our players buddy…you dont know anything about me.  I know it takes about 20 times doing something worth getting arrested for as a UF player and they still manage.  Its not my opinion boss, read the articles on espn or sports illustrated…its a serious problem for that program.

Wooh Walty dont blow a fuse! I get it, you don't like me.

Are you saying there are honestly no drug or character problems in our program ?

Did you not once type this….?
"Wrong, I dont want scumbags to ever represent me or my University.  If FAU sports ever had that ridiculousness going on I would stop donating and attending all events." -Walty12 Reply #5 on: April 25, 2011, 04:23:26 PM

So you admit to being in a bar fight with our current players, but don't find them as "scumbags"? interesting… Yet you will glady post an "article" about some player being in a bar fight, poking at another program.

Should have been more clear on my comment.  First, of course I like you…you are an owl…just think your attitude is a little off.

Second, "bar fight" is kind of a joke…after the UF game (of course) we left a bar and some frat guys were trying to fight Nello Faulk and we came to his aid…which is ridiculous because I could literally hop on his shoulder and he wouldn't have noticed.  Its actually whats going on in my profile pic.  "Bar fight" is a loose term in my post…I was more joking.

There is no explanation for >30 arrests in 24 months.  That is ridiculous and there is no way to defend it.  Saying we have some athletes struggle academically and compare the two is apples to oranges.  All of athletes are young and going to make bad decisions, however it seems like an pandemic at UF.  And I dont agree with the "win at any cost" attitude in college sports.  Not at my college at least.