d-owl said

fauowls44 said

d-owl said

^^ Did you not see what happened with FIU last year? It appears obvious the gap is closing.

And?  They were so bad for so long, they had to start to improve at some point.  Nobody thought they would be the absolute worst team in I-A forever.  At some point they were bound to be competitive.  With the amount of talent in South Florida, there is no reason that FAU and FIU shouldn't both be competing for the SBC title every year.  The fact that they are getting better isn't a reflection on us.  We just have to keep doing what we have been doing and we'll be fine.  I hope this develops into a great rivalry.  That would be the best thing for both programs.

I agree. But my point was if they didn't choke in the last minute of that game - they probably go to a bowl game and we sit home. And with their new facility, a great recruiting class and a bowl appearance under their belt, the argument could have easily been made that they would have leaped ahead of us. It was really that close- a matter of seconds.

Actually chances are if they win that game ULL probably goes to a bowl game and FIU stays home. The reason we got the motor city bowl invite was because of our game against Michigan State. The people of Michigan already knew who we were and we're impressed with us. Plus when you have a legendary coach on your side that definitely helps, plus the fact that we have a pro prospect at QB. No offense to FIU but they don't have any of these things and if it came down to it ULL would have gone to a bowl game over them even though they're in a better TV market

The point was that win may have secured a bowl game for them. Yes, it's likely ULL would have went, but FIU would have been an intriguing story. Look, I think all on here can at least agree that a stadium is needed.

d-owl said

The point was that win would have probably secured a bowl game for them.

again.. probably not. Yes they would have been bowl eligible but probably would have been sitting home come bowl season

Well, since FIU…and our recruiting… is one of the favorite topics in this board, I will chime in, as usual respectfully.

First off, as I've always mantained, judging recruiting just by the "stars" assigned by these analysts is a flawed proposition, particularly if you take that element by itself.  Also, many or some of these players will not even set foot on campus, or fizzle within a year or two and drop out.  Who the player is recruited against, again by itself, might be a better element, but flawed as well.  Looking at both together is better indicator, I think, but, again, not a perfect indicator.  It's not a science, however, many of these people indeed do their job and evaluate players to reach their "star" rankings, but it is way too subjective matter to absolutely assign total resolution as to who recruited better.  However, there's no doubt, all other things being equal, that  you would get more excited if you get a "5-star" player than a "4-star" player…and a 4-star over a 3-star…and a 3-star over a 2-star….however flawed this ranking is.


I don't know where the notion that FIU has always outrecruited FAU with better and more players with higher stars started, and has popularized here on several threads,  but it is simply a fallacy, if you look closely.  Under Strock we had good recruits, just as FAU had good recruits as well, but if you look at it closely and objectively, you will find out that before Mario Cristobal arrived FIU and FAU recruits on rivals based on stars were on the same basis.  Actually, looking at what rivals.com has in their database, any objective observer would say otherwise….that FAU had more and better ranked players, based on stars ranking, than FIU.

Hardly facts support that FIU "out-recruited" FAU since the advent of our programs.  Let's look at rivals and recruits and stars:  Under each school the numbers of players signed listed and in parenthesis the number of 3 or 4 star recruits listed as signed.

Year              FIU                       FAU
2002              1(0)                        1(one 4-star player)     Advantage FAU
2003              0                            0                               No Advantage
2004              2 (0)                       2 (1 3-star player)        Advantage FAU
2005*            8(0)                        6 (1 3-star player)        Advantage FAU  *started IA,thus more recruits listed
2006             24 (0)                      20 (0)                         Tie                  Last year Strock recruits
2007             18( 1 3-star)             17 (1 3-star players)      Tie                 1 and half month with Cristobal coach
2008             24(4 3-stars)             21 (2 3-star players)     Advantage FIU  1st full recruiting year of Cristobal
2009 (partial) 23(1 4-star, 5 3-stars) 25 (2 3-star players)     Advantage FIU                  

Jab979 said

d-owl said

fauowls44 said

d-owl said

^^ Did you not see what happened with FIU last year? It appears obvious the gap is closing.

And?  They were so bad for so long, they had to start to improve at some point.  Nobody thought they would be the absolute worst team in I-A forever.  At some point they were bound to be competitive.  With the amount of talent in South Florida, there is no reason that FAU and FIU shouldn't both be competing for the SBC title every year.  The fact that they are getting better isn't a reflection on us.  We just have to keep doing what we have been doing and we'll be fine.  I hope this develops into a great rivalry.  That would be the best thing for both programs.

I agree. But my point was if they didn't choke in the last minute of that game - they probably go to a bowl game and we sit home. And with their new facility, a great recruiting class and a bowl appearance under their belt, the argument could have easily been made that they would have leaped ahead of us. It was really that close- a matter of seconds.

Actually chances are if they win that game ULL probably goes to a bowl game and FIU stays home. The reason we got the motor city bowl invite was because of our game against Michigan State. The people of Michigan already knew who we were and we're impressed with us. Plus when you have a legendary coach on your side that definitely helps, plus the fact that we have a pro prospect at QB. No offense to FIU but they don't have any of these things and if it came down to it ULL would have gone to a bowl game over them even though they're in a better TV market

We got the bowl game because we were willing to take the financial hit.

GO OWLS!!!

FIUFanatic said

Well, since FIU…and our recruiting… is one of the favorite topics in this board, I will chime in, as usual respectfully.

First off, as I've always mantained, judging recruiting just by the "stars" assigned by these analysts is a flawed proposition, particularly if you take that element by itself.  Also, many or some of these players will not even set foot on campus, or fizzle within a year or two and drop out.  Who the player is recruited against, again by itself, might be a better element, but flawed as well.  Looking at both together is better indicator, I think, but, again, not a perfect indicator.  It's not a science, however, many of these people indeed do their job and evaluate players to reach their "star" rankings, but it is way too subjective matter to absolutely assign total resolution as to who recruited better.  However, there's no doubt, all other things being equal, that  you would get more excited if you get a "5-star" player than a "4-star" player…and a 4-star over a 3-star…and a 3-star over a 2-star….however flawed this ranking is.


I don't know where the notion that FIU has always outrecruited FAU with better and more players with higher stars started, and has popularized here on several threads,  but it is simply a fallacy, if you look closely.  Under Strock we had good recruits, just as FAU had good recruits as well, but if you look at it closely and objectively, you will find out that before Mario Cristobal arrived FIU and FAU recruits on rivals based on stars were on the same basis.  Actually, looking at what rivals.com has in their database, any objective observer would say otherwise….that FAU had more and better ranked players, based on stars ranking, than FIU.

Hardly facts support that FIU "out-recruited" FAU since the advent of our programs.  Let's look at rivals and recruits and stars:  Under each school the numbers of players signed listed and in parenthesis the number of 3 or 4 star recruits listed as signed.

Year              FIU                       FAU
2002              1(0)                        1(one 4-star player)     Advantage FAU
2003              0                            0                               No Advantage
2004              2 (0)                       2 (1 3-star player)        Advantage FAU
2005*            8(0)                        6 (1 3-star player)        Advantage FAU  *started IA,thus more recruits listed
2006             24 (0)                      20 (0)                         Tie                  Last year Strock recruits
2007             18( 1 3-star)             17 (1 3-star players)      Tie                 1 and half month with Cristobal coach
2008             24(4 3-stars)             21 (2 3-star players)     Advantage FIU  1st full recruiting year of Cristobal
2009 (partial) 23(1 4-star, 5 3-stars) 25 (2 3-star players)     Advantage FIU

Man, you did your homework. Thanks for putting that up.

GO OWLS!!!

FIUFanatic said

Well, since FIU…and our recruiting… is one of the favorite topics in this board, I will chime in, as usual respectfully.

First off, as I've always mantained, judging recruiting just by the "stars" assigned by these analysts is a flawed proposition, particularly if you take that element by itself.  Also, many or some of these players will not even set foot on campus, or fizzle within a year or two and drop out.  Who the player is recruited against, again by itself, might be a better element, but flawed as well.  Looking at both together is better indicator, I think, but, again, not a perfect indicator.  It's not a science, however, many of these people indeed do their job and evaluate players to reach their "star" rankings, but it is way too subjective matter to absolutely assign total resolution as to who recruited better.  However, there's no doubt, all other things being equal, that  you would get more excited if you get a "5-star" player than a "4-star" player…and a 4-star over a 3-star…and a 3-star over a 2-star….however flawed this ranking is.


I don't know where the notion that FIU has always outrecruited FAU with better and more players with higher stars started, and has popularized here on several threads,  but it is simply a fallacy, if you look closely.  Under Strock we had good recruits, just as FAU had good recruits as well, but if you look at it closely and objectively, you will find out that before Mario Cristobal arrived FIU and FAU recruits on rivals based on stars were on the same basis.  Actually, looking at what rivals.com has in their database, any objective observer would say otherwise….that FAU had more and better ranked players, based on stars ranking, than FIU.

Hardly facts support that FIU "out-recruited" FAU since the advent of our programs.  Let's look at rivals and recruits and stars:  Under each school the numbers of players signed listed and in parenthesis the number of 3 or 4 star recruits listed as signed.

Year              FIU                       FAU
2002              1(0)                        1(one 4-star player)     Advantage FAU
2003              0                            0                               No Advantage
2004              2 (0)                       2 (1 3-star player)        Advantage FAU
2005*            8(0)                        6 (1 3-star player)        Advantage FAU  *started IA,thus more recruits listed
2006             24 (0)                      20 (0)                         Tie                  Last year Strock recruits
2007             18( 1 3-star)             17 (1 3-star players)      Tie                 1 and half month with Cristobal coach
2008             24(4 3-stars)             21 (2 3-star players)     Advantage FIU  1st full recruiting year of Cristobal
2009 (partial) 23(1 4-star, 5 3-stars) 25 (2 3-star players)     Advantage FIU

WOW! you went all out man!
Good job.
See you at the cage!
Now, re-upload your photo, LOL!!

Done…I got a new avatar!

AlexFAU06 said

FIUFanatic said

WOW! you went all out man!
Good job.
See you at the cage!
Now, re-upload your photo, LOL!!

owlfan1 said

Jab979 said

d-owl said

fauowls44 said

d-owl said

^^ Did you not see what happened with FIU last year? It appears obvious the gap is closing.

And?  They were so bad for so long, they had to start to improve at some point.  Nobody thought they would be the absolute worst team in I-A forever.  At some point they were bound to be competitive.  With the amount of talent in South Florida, there is no reason that FAU and FIU shouldn't both be competing for the SBC title every year.  The fact that they are getting better isn't a reflection on us.  We just have to keep doing what we have been doing and we'll be fine.  I hope this develops into a great rivalry.  That would be the best thing for both programs.

I agree. But my point was if they didn't choke in the last minute of that game - they probably go to a bowl game and we sit home. And with their new facility, a great recruiting class and a bowl appearance under their belt, the argument could have easily been made that they would have leaped ahead of us. It was really that close- a matter of seconds.

Actually chances are if they win that game ULL probably goes to a bowl game and FIU stays home. The reason we got the motor city bowl invite was because of our game against Michigan State. The people of Michigan already knew who we were and we're impressed with us. Plus when you have a legendary coach on your side that definitely helps, plus the fact that we have a pro prospect at QB. No offense to FIU but they don't have any of these things and if it came down to it ULL would have gone to a bowl game over them even though they're in a better TV market

We got the bowl game because we were willing to take the financial hit.

GO OWLS!!!

Partially, yes thats a reason. One of the main reasons was that we had played a game in that state already and a lot of press was being made about Howard. Having him as our coach was a big factor in them pursuing us to play in their bowl. If we lost to FIU they would not have gone to a bowl game instead of us. It either would have been ULL going to a different bowl or another team on the bubble that could have filled the spot on in the MCB

FIUFanatic said

Well, since FIU…and our recruiting… is one of the favorite topics in this board, I will chime in, as usual respectfully.

First off, as I've always mantained, judging recruiting just by the "stars" assigned by these analysts is a flawed proposition, particularly if you take that element by itself.  Also, many or some of these players will not even set foot on campus, or fizzle within a year or two and drop out.  Who the player is recruited against, again by itself, might be a better element, but flawed as well.  Looking at both together is better indicator, I think, but, again, not a perfect indicator.  It's not a science, however, many of these people indeed do their job and evaluate players to reach their "star" rankings, but it is way too subjective matter to absolutely assign total resolution as to who recruited better.  However, there's no doubt, all other things being equal, that  you would get more excited if you get a "5-star" player than a "4-star" player…and a 4-star over a 3-star…and a 3-star over a 2-star….however flawed this ranking is.


I don't know where the notion that FIU has always outrecruited FAU with better and more players with higher stars started, and has popularized here on several threads,  but it is simply a fallacy, if you look closely.  Under Strock we had good recruits, just as FAU had good recruits as well, but if you look at it closely and objectively, you will find out that before Mario Cristobal arrived FIU and FAU recruits on rivals based on stars were on the same basis.  Actually, looking at what rivals.com has in their database, any objective observer would say otherwise….that FAU had more and better ranked players, based on stars ranking, than FIU.

Hardly facts support that FIU "out-recruited" FAU since the advent of our programs.  Let's look at rivals and recruits and stars:  Under each school the numbers of players signed listed and in parenthesis the number of 3 or 4 star recruits listed as signed.

Year              FIU                      FAU
2002              1(0)                        1(one 4-star player)    Advantage FAU
2003              0                            0                              No Advantage
2004              2 (0)                      2 (1 3-star player)        Advantage FAU
2005*            8(0)                        6 (1 3-star player)        Advantage FAU  *started IA,thus more recruits listed
2006            24 (0)                      20 (0)                        Tie                  Last year Strock recruits
2007            18( 1 3-star)            17 (1 3-star players)      Tie                1 and half month with Cristobal coach
2008            24(4 3-stars)            21 (2 3-star players)    Advantage FIU  1st full recruiting year of Cristobal
2009 (partial) 23(1 4-star, 5 3-stars) 25 (2 3-star players)    Advantage FIU

FIUFanatic, you're awesome, you really are. Thanks for the information, it's really interesting data. Thanks for being a great representation of us Golden Panthers! Go Panthers!