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Angelos: Coaching search "wide open"

The issue I have with going for one of these top assistants or former head coaches at big schools is that, now lets be honest, they will come to FAU as a stepping stone to getting either into or back into the big time.  How do we stop this from happening?  Are we forced to just assume this will happen and put in big buy-outs so that we can at least get rich off of the fact we are a stepping stone or do we go with someone that really wants to be FAU's head coach.  Are there any older guys with great reps and experience that have retired that would like to come back and finish off here?  That seems to be a good method to ensuring that they won't leave.  Otherwise we need a Balado that has paid his dues at the University and knows the guys and wants to make things better.

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fauowls44 said

walty12 said

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So it looks like the secret has escaped "The Owl's Nest"–we have the chance to be very good next season.  Thankfully, the calls are incoming and FAU can afford to answer the phone.I still think when all is said and done, the best shot for us for the next couple of years is to stay local, look at Balado or Lynn Universities Scott McMillin.  The players know Mike and he isn't going anywhere unless, of course Walters is the example and not the anomaly, then the answer might be McMillin who has even deeper roots in Boca.

On the two things-1. almost only counts in horseshoes so the Mercer argument is voided, and 2. see above.  Jarvis is looking, lives in Boca and would do a heck of a job with the talent left behind when Walters went to Mercer, er USF

I doubt McMillin has the D-I experience needed to coach at this level yet.  According to his bio, he was an assistant at Buffalo for 2 seasons after he graduated from there, but the rest of his time has been spent in D-II or below.  If we were to look at someone with Lynn ties, it'd likely be Georgia Southern's Jeff Price, who was at Lynn prior to McMillin.

I know that I am about to compare two different sports which is kind of apples to oranges…but on some level coaching is coaching.  As far as D-I experience goes….see Ohio State and Jim Tressel as an example of the right guy for the job coming from a D-III? school…Youngstown State.

Actually, Youngstown State is I-AA.  We played(and beat) them a couple of times over the years.  They were a I-AA powerhouse under Tressel.  Plus, he worked for a number of years as an assistant for multiple I-A schools prior to taking the job at YSU.  So, Tressel is a poor example.  He had a lot of experience and was ready to make a leap to the next level of coaching.  McMillin getting this job straight from Lynn would be more like Tressel getting hired from YSU to coach the Cleveland Browns.

Besides, look at the other SBC coaching hires this offseason.  ASU hired the former LSU coach.  WKU hired a top assistant at Texas.  We don't have to reach down into the D-II ranks to find a coach here.  There will be many QUALIFIED applicants that will be lining up for the chance to take over this program.

First off the gap between Ohio State Football and Youngstown State football is at LEAST as big as Lynn Basketball to FAU basketball.  Second, the guy was an assistant at Akron, Miami (OH) and Syracuse (quarterbacks coach) .  Lastly, I think most years Ohio State is as good as the Browns.  D-I AA or DIII, still a LONG way from head coach at Ohio State.

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SeminOWL2006 said

The issue I have with going for one of these top assistants or former head coaches at big schools is that, now lets be honest, they will come to FAU as a stepping stone to getting either into or back into the big time.  How do we stop this from happening?  Are we forced to just assume this will happen and put in big buy-outs so that we can at least get rich off of the fact we are a stepping stone or do we go with someone that really wants to be FAU's head coach.  Are there any older guys with great reps and experience that have retired that would like to come back and finish off here?  That seems to be a good method to ensuring that they won't leave.  Otherwise we need a Balado that has paid his dues at the University and knows the guys and wants to make things better.

No!!!  You can't hire someone less qualified or semi-retired just because they are the least likely to leave for another job.  You can't run your program scared.  You go out and hire the best candidate available.  Period.

All this talk of hiring D-II coaches or just promoting Balado just because he's here and familiar is nonsense.  If we want to be a big time athletic program, you have to think like one.  You have a national search, hire the best choice, and let the rest take care of itself.  Eventually the program will be self-sustaining enough to generate enough money to keep guys around awhile, but we will never get to that point if you hire coaches just because nobody else would want to hire them away.  
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walty12 said

fauowls44 said

walty12 said

fauowls44 said

NewOwlOldBBFan said

So it looks like the secret has escaped "The Owl's Nest"–we have the chance to be very good next season.  Thankfully, the calls are incoming and FAU can afford to answer the phone.I still think when all is said and done, the best shot for us for the next couple of years is to stay local, look at Balado or Lynn Universities Scott McMillin.  The players know Mike and he isn't going anywhere unless, of course Walters is the example and not the anomaly, then the answer might be McMillin who has even deeper roots in Boca.

On the two things-1. almost only counts in horseshoes so the Mercer argument is voided, and 2. see above.  Jarvis is looking, lives in Boca and would do a heck of a job with the talent left behind when Walters went to Mercer, er USF

I doubt McMillin has the D-I experience needed to coach at this level yet.  According to his bio, he was an assistant at Buffalo for 2 seasons after he graduated from there, but the rest of his time has been spent in D-II or below.  If we were to look at someone with Lynn ties, it'd likely be Georgia Southern's Jeff Price, who was at Lynn prior to McMillin.

I know that I am about to compare two different sports which is kind of apples to oranges…but on some level coaching is coaching.  As far as D-I experience goes….see Ohio State and Jim Tressel as an example of the right guy for the job coming from a D-III? school…Youngstown State.

Actually, Youngstown State is I-AA.  We played(and beat) them a couple of times over the years.  They were a I-AA powerhouse under Tressel.  Plus, he worked for a number of years as an assistant for multiple I-A schools prior to taking the job at YSU.  So, Tressel is a poor example.  He had a lot of experience and was ready to make a leap to the next level of coaching.  McMillin getting this job straight from Lynn would be more like Tressel getting hired from YSU to coach the Cleveland Browns.

Besides, look at the other SBC coaching hires this offseason.  ASU hired the former LSU coach.  WKU hired a top assistant at Texas.  We don't have to reach down into the D-II ranks to find a coach here.  There will be many QUALIFIED applicants that will be lining up for the chance to take over this program.

First off the gap between Ohio State Football and Youngstown State football is at LEAST as big as Lynn Basketball to FAU basketball.  Second, the guy was an assistant at Akron, Miami (OH) and Syracuse (quarterbacks coach) .  Lastly, I think most years Ohio State is as good as the Browns.  D-I AA or DIII, still a LONG way from head coach at Ohio State.

This is a little off topic, but you don't think there is a big difference between D-III and I-AA???  I-AA teams beat I-A teams all the time…especially really good ones like YSU was under Tressel.  Have you forgotten App. State/MIchigan already?  As for Ohio State beating the Browns ever…that is just ridiculous and I always get annoyed when people say "so-and-so college team could beat the worst NFL team"…it would never happen…but that is another topic for another day.

Anyway, back to the topic at hand…

The point was at the time Tressel was hired by OSU, he was known as one of the up-and-coming coaches in the game.  He had a lot of experience on the I-A level and was REALLY successful as a head coach in I-AA.  None of this is similar in anyway to the Lynn coach.  D-II basketball to the Sun Belt really is a major leap.  Again, look at who our competitor is hiring…Established coaches from big time programs. 
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fauowls44 said

"…look at who our competitor is hiring…Established coaches from big time programs.

we will not, and can not, afford to follow that suit…
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absolutely right floridaowl but I wonder if a guy like UM assistant Mike Schwartz is an option. Same age as Balado but much bigger programs.
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gradschoolowl said

absolutely right floridaowl but I wonder if a guy like UM assistant Mike Schwartz is an option. Same age as Balado but much bigger programs.

i dont know if they would feel comfortable with an assistant…perhaps an associate…big difference…
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fauowls44 said

walty12 said

fauowls44 said

walty12 said

fauowls44 said

NewOwlOldBBFan said

So it looks like the secret has escaped "The Owl's Nest"–we have the chance to be very good next season.  Thankfully, the calls are incoming and FAU can afford to answer the phone.I still think when all is said and done, the best shot for us for the next couple of years is to stay local, look at Balado or Lynn Universities Scott McMillin.  The players know Mike and he isn't going anywhere unless, of course Walters is the example and not the anomaly, then the answer might be McMillin who has even deeper roots in Boca.

On the two things-1. almost only counts in horseshoes so the Mercer argument is voided, and 2. see above.  Jarvis is looking, lives in Boca and would do a heck of a job with the talent left behind when Walters went to Mercer, er USF

I doubt McMillin has the D-I experience needed to coach at this level yet.  According to his bio, he was an assistant at Buffalo for 2 seasons after he graduated from there, but the rest of his time has been spent in D-II or below.  If we were to look at someone with Lynn ties, it'd likely be Georgia Southern's Jeff Price, who was at Lynn prior to McMillin.

I know that I am about to compare two different sports which is kind of apples to oranges…but on some level coaching is coaching.  As far as D-I experience goes….see Ohio State and Jim Tressel as an example of the right guy for the job coming from a D-III? school…Youngstown State.

Actually, Youngstown State is I-AA.  We played(and beat) them a couple of times over the years.  They were a I-AA powerhouse under Tressel.  Plus, he worked for a number of years as an assistant for multiple I-A schools prior to taking the job at YSU.  So, Tressel is a poor example.  He had a lot of experience and was ready to make a leap to the next level of coaching.  McMillin getting this job straight from Lynn would be more like Tressel getting hired from YSU to coach the Cleveland Browns.

Besides, look at the other SBC coaching hires this offseason.  ASU hired the former LSU coach.  WKU hired a top assistant at Texas.  We don't have to reach down into the D-II ranks to find a coach here.  There will be many QUALIFIED applicants that will be lining up for the chance to take over this program.

First off the gap between Ohio State Football and Youngstown State football is at LEAST as big as Lynn Basketball to FAU basketball.  Second, the guy was an assistant at Akron, Miami (OH) and Syracuse (quarterbacks coach) .  Lastly, I think most years Ohio State is as good as the Browns.  D-I AA or DIII, still a LONG way from head coach at Ohio State.

This is a little off topic, but you don't think there is a big difference between D-III and I-AA???  I-AA teams beat I-A teams all the time…especially really good ones like YSU was under Tressel.  Have you forgotten App. State/MIchigan already?  As for Ohio State beating the Browns ever…that is just ridiculous and I always get annoyed when people say "so-and-so college team could beat the worst NFL team"…it would never happen…but that is another topic for another day.

Anyway, back to the topic at hand…

The point was at the time Tressel was hired by OSU, he was known as one of the up-and-coming coaches in the game.  He had a lot of experience on the I-A level and was REALLY successful as a head coach in I-AA.  None of this is similar in anyway to the Lynn coach.  D-II basketball to the Sun Belt really is a major leap.  Again, look at who our competitor is hiring…Established coaches from big time programs.

I know Ohio State couldn't beat the Browns, just thought it was funny you referenced the Browns out of all the NFL teams you could have chose.  Listen, I dont feel like pulling together numbers to prove my argument, but I PROMISE you there is a bigger gap between Ohio State University and Youngstown State than their is between FAU and Lynn.  Ohio State was considering hiring a big name coach but went with Tressel instead…my ON TOPIC point was that FAU does not necessarily have to go with a high profile name, and might find sucess in hiring an up and coming coach LIKE the one at Lynn U.  I think hiring a coach who has to still prove himself is exactly what we need, we need a Rex Walters type that wants to make something out of FAU.

Teambeer is the most knowledgeable FAU sports fan I know, way smarter than me.
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Floridaowl, would it then be a step back for UM associate HC Jorge Fernandez? I think so, but I wanted your opinion.
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walty12 said

fauowls44 said

walty12 said

fauowls44 said

walty12 said

fauowls44 said

NewOwlOldBBFan said

So it looks like the secret has escaped "The Owl's Nest"–we have the chance to be very good next season.  Thankfully, the calls are incoming and FAU can afford to answer the phone.I still think when all is said and done, the best shot for us for the next couple of years is to stay local, look at Balado or Lynn Universities Scott McMillin.  The players know Mike and he isn't going anywhere unless, of course Walters is the example and not the anomaly, then the answer might be McMillin who has even deeper roots in Boca.

On the two things-1. almost only counts in horseshoes so the Mercer argument is voided, and 2. see above.  Jarvis is looking, lives in Boca and would do a heck of a job with the talent left behind when Walters went to Mercer, er USF

I doubt McMillin has the D-I experience needed to coach at this level yet.  According to his bio, he was an assistant at Buffalo for 2 seasons after he graduated from there, but the rest of his time has been spent in D-II or below.  If we were to look at someone with Lynn ties, it'd likely be Georgia Southern's Jeff Price, who was at Lynn prior to McMillin.

I know that I am about to compare two different sports which is kind of apples to oranges…but on some level coaching is coaching.  As far as D-I experience goes….see Ohio State and Jim Tressel as an example of the right guy for the job coming from a D-III? school…Youngstown State.

Actually, Youngstown State is I-AA.  We played(and beat) them a couple of times over the years.  They were a I-AA powerhouse under Tressel.  Plus, he worked for a number of years as an assistant for multiple I-A schools prior to taking the job at YSU.  So, Tressel is a poor example.  He had a lot of experience and was ready to make a leap to the next level of coaching.  McMillin getting this job straight from Lynn would be more like Tressel getting hired from YSU to coach the Cleveland Browns.

Besides, look at the other SBC coaching hires this offseason.  ASU hired the former LSU coach.  WKU hired a top assistant at Texas.  We don't have to reach down into the D-II ranks to find a coach here.  There will be many QUALIFIED applicants that will be lining up for the chance to take over this program.

First off the gap between Ohio State Football and Youngstown State football is at LEAST as big as Lynn Basketball to FAU basketball.  Second, the guy was an assistant at Akron, Miami (OH) and Syracuse (quarterbacks coach) .  Lastly, I think most years Ohio State is as good as the Browns.  D-I AA or DIII, still a LONG way from head coach at Ohio State.

This is a little off topic, but you don't think there is a big difference between D-III and I-AA???  I-AA teams beat I-A teams all the time…especially really good ones like YSU was under Tressel.  Have you forgotten App. State/MIchigan already?  As for Ohio State beating the Browns ever…that is just ridiculous and I always get annoyed when people say "so-and-so college team could beat the worst NFL team"…it would never happen…but that is another topic for another day.

Anyway, back to the topic at hand…

The point was at the time Tressel was hired by OSU, he was known as one of the up-and-coming coaches in the game.  He had a lot of experience on the I-A level and was REALLY successful as a head coach in I-AA.  None of this is similar in anyway to the Lynn coach.  D-II basketball to the Sun Belt really is a major leap.  Again, look at who our competitor is hiring…Established coaches from big time programs.

I know Ohio State couldn't beat the Browns, just thought it was funny you referenced the Browns out of all the NFL teams you could have chose.  Listen, I dont feel like pulling together numbers to prove my argument, but I PROMISE you there is a bigger gap between Ohio State University and Youngstown State than their is between FAU and Lynn.  Ohio State was considering hiring a big name coach but went with Tressel instead…my ON TOPIC point was that FAU does not necessarily have to go with a high profile name, and might find sucess in hiring an up and coming coach LIKE the one at Lynn U.  I think hiring a coach who has to still prove himself is exactly what we need, we need a Rex Walters type that wants to make something out of FAU.

On each point…

I said the Browns only because of the Ohio connection.

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on the while Tressel thing.  The leap from where YSU was when Tressel was there to a I-A program wasn't that great, especially because at that time everyone considered Tressel a top coaching candidtate at the next level.  Besides, it is very rare that a guy in a lower divison gets that kind of elite job.  That was kind of the perfect storm of coaching a power house I-AA team, being an Ohio guy, as well as having a lot of coaching experience in I-A football.

On to basketball…

Granted, I don't know much about Lynn or their coach, but I doubt many would consider him a top coaching candidate at the D-I level…a least not yet.  He just has very little experience above the D-II level.  Making the jump from there to a middle of the pack D-I conference like the Sun Belt is not easy.  I'm not saying that it is necessary to hire a big name.  Up-and-coming is fine, that doesn't mean woefully under-qualified like the current Lynn coach would be.  You can call me crazy, but I'd like the next coach to have experience coaching and recruiting at the D-I level.  There are a lot of very qualified coaches out there that will want this job.  If we end up having to settle for bringing in Lynn's coach, we are in big trouble as a program.
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