OC Irritant said

Boozie132 said

You figure after an incident like that, athletics would be drug testing all athletes in the near future to set a zero tolerance example.

Posted On: Dec 30th 2015, 9:28 PM #353472

You must be from a different generation, because some weed doesn't lead to other drugs or bad people.  Just let everyone be. 

Posted On: Dec 30th 2015, 11:49 PM #353480

Yeah, we're from the generation where the rules apply to everyone.

Thing is, this wasn't a random event but a drug deal gone wrong. That could happen anywhere.

University Park has a gate but that wasn't even the issue; even if you have a guard with a gate and a gun this still happens because Acosta gave him the code and then the girlfriend let them in.

Not sure what University Park could have done to prevent this…

Anyway, a tragedy nonetheless. Will be interesting to see how Kelly responds to this. If I was an FAU athlete I would definitely expect drug screenings and some lectures about the importance of living a clean life. Then it'll die back down in a week until somebody does the next stupid thing.

OC Irritant said

Boozie132 said

You figure after an incident like that, athletics would be drug testing all athletes in the near future to set a zero tolerance example.

Posted On: Dec 30th 2015, 9:28 PM #353472

You must be from a different generation, because some weed doesn't lead to other drugs or bad people.  Just let everyone be. 

Posted On: Dec 30th 2015, 11:49 PM #353480

I'll play for fun assuming you're being sarcastic here (even though I could care less if pot is legalized):

So if these guy could've gone down to the dispensary at will to buy weed would this pot deal gone wrong ever happen?

The thing that's rattling my brain about all this the story of the shooter…I'm drawing a lot of assumptions here but, the kid goes to American Heritage and gets a top notch prep education and is playing college soccer at the D1 level… He's got to be intelligent enough to understand the consequences of killing someone no? you went to a $20k per year high school and are going to college in freaking Boca Raton, you're not a gangster. If you wanna be a gangster in boca get into commodities fraud or something.

OC Irritant said

Boozie132 said

You figure after an incident like that, athletics would be drug testing all athletes in the near future to set a zero tolerance example.

Posted On: Dec 30th 2015, 9:28 PM #353472

You must be from a different generation, because some weed doesn't lead to other drugs or bad people.  Just let everyone be. 

Posted On: Dec 30th 2015, 11:49 PM #353480

I'll speak from personal experience.

It ABSOLUTELY led to other forms of illegal behavior and less than desirable company as a teenager. Basically a double life - one for family and school and one for drug use.

Not going to divulge my past, but have plenty of friends who threw their former productive lives and relationships away and completely changed as adult individuals with no goals and lousy/lost jobs so they can continue to do 4:20 anytime they want with others who share the same chains.

One could argue that it depends on the individual, but it is a proven scientific fact that drug use (of any kind) changes brain chemistry and the natural reward system in place therein - leaving users constantly seeking to get back to that original high.

Rick said

OC Irritant said

Boozie132 said

You figure after an incident like that, athletics would be drug testing all athletes in the near future to set a zero tolerance example.

Posted On: Dec 30th 2015, 9:28 PM #353472

You must be from a different generation, because some weed doesn't lead to other drugs or bad people.  Just let everyone be. 

Posted On: Dec 30th 2015, 11:49 PM #353480

I'll speak from personal experience.

It ABSOLUTELY led to other forms of illegal behavior and less than desirable company as a teenager. Basically a double life - one for family and school and one for drug use.

Not going to divulge my past, but have plenty of friends who threw their former productive lives and relationships away and completely changed as adult individuals with no goals and lousy/lost jobs so they can continue to do 4:20 anytime they want with others who share the same chains.

One could argue that it depends on the individual, but it is a proven scientific fact that drug use (of any kind) changes brain chemistry and the natural reward system in place therein - leaving users constantly seeking to get back to that original high.

Posted On: Dec 31st 2015, 8:47 AM #353490

Its not so much the drug itself that leads to problems because imo alcohol has far worse effects.  Its the criminal element that is attracted to the money because of it being illegal. If you could buy the stuff from a 7-11 then you wouldnt see people robbing each other for it. Yes MJ does lead to other drugs and bad people but not from the reason people think.

Its not the MJ itself its the criminal element dealing it that has incentives to push their users to harder drugs and sell on credit as a way of getting the users to commit crimes and do all sorts of unsavory things for them. I say this from experience of extended family members.  

When you buy beer you either pay cash or use a credit card once the transaction is done its done even if you dont pay off your credit card thats Visa or Mastercard not some mafia coming after you like it was back when alcohol was illegal.

Look this has been the argument since the war on drugs began. I am very anti-drug when it comes to sports and our military. I am also against legalization despite people saying it will cut down on the crimes like this. But in fact it doesn't because it forces the dealers to peddle new drugs across the area. And people wondering what President Kelly's response will be to all this. He will call it a tragedy and a black-eye to the university. He will ask for increase presence both near University Park and the 20th Street corridor. Yet even with increase police presence or a gates and security codes it can never be enough. Because no matter how secure or safe people promote a building, complex or a area, unless you have a stop and frisk policy in Boca Raton, and authorize security guards to do the same, its not going to be completely safe. Yet this my opinion as a Former Marine who maybe spent time as a security guard while going to school.

The victim was selling drugs to make money.  One can assume if weed was legal he would have sold something else.  Security measures were in place, the victim gave the suspects the access code, the gf let them in the door.  What doesn't add up is why they shot the guy, once you had him on the floor, they could have easily taken the bag and left, the victim was not going to report stolen weed.  Instead you kill him so you can split a bag of weed 5 ways and face life in prison.  

There has to be more to this story.  It is way too stupid to understand as is.

You risk everything to kill a guy for a bag of pot and then you walk away leaving the witness untouched.

There is an emotional element to this story that we haven't heard yet.

It just doesn't add up.

It's tragic all the way around and it doesn't add up.  If you need a code to get into upark and code was given to soccer player and friend and girlfriend/deceased were expecting them…how did the other 3 come into the picture?  who gave them the code?  what was so extra special about that pot that it took 5 guys to come get it?  maybe I've watched too much tv in my life.  Just thinking that maybe soccer player and friend maybe didn't know the other 3 were coming.

owl in training said

It's tragic all the way around and it doesn't add up.  If you need a code to get into upark and code was given to soccer player and friend and girlfriend/deceased were expecting them…how did the other 3 come into the picture?  who gave them the code?  what was so extra special about that pot that it took 5 guys to come get it?  maybe I've watched too much tv in my life.  Just thinking that maybe soccer player and friend maybe didn't know the other 3 were coming.

Posted On: Dec 31st 2015, 10:18 AM #353496

What doesn't add up?  5 guys went to rob a drug dealer and it went terribly wrong.  You engage in "dangerous" behavior bad things can happen.  Engaging in illegal activity can make you a target.  In the drug dealers case, the five guys decide to rob him, because what is he going to do?  Call the police?  The 5 guys think he has a lot of pot and probably a lot of cash lets go visit him.

The four guys came with the soccer player who must have known the drug dealer because the drug dealer texted him the code.  It's all bad.  Hopefully the soccer player (I refuse to say his name) figures out that he did wrong and turn his friends in.  Could mean the difference between a life sentence and a death sentence.