OC Irritant said

owl in training said

It's tragic all the way around and it doesn't add up.  If you need a code to get into upark and code was given to soccer player and friend and girlfriend/deceased were expecting them…how did the other 3 come into the picture?  who gave them the code?  what was so extra special about that pot that it took 5 guys to come get it?  maybe I've watched too much tv in my life.  Just thinking that maybe soccer player and friend maybe didn't know the other 3 were coming.

Posted On: Dec 31st 2015, 10:18 AM #353496

What doesn't add up?  5 guys went to rob a drug dealer and it went terribly wrong.  You engage in "dangerous" behavior bad things can happen.  Engaging in illegal activity can make you a target.  In the drug dealers case, the five guys decide to rob him, because what is he going to do?  Call the police?  The 5 guys think he has a lot of pot and probably a lot of cash lets go visit him.

The four guys came with the soccer player who must have known the drug dealer because the drug dealer texted him the code.  It's all bad.  Hopefully the soccer player (I refuse to say his name) figures out that he did wrong and turn his friends in.  Could mean the difference between a life sentence and a death sentence.

Posted On: Dec 31st 2015, 11:19 AM #353497

Sounds right to me.  Really sad

OC Irritant said

owl in training said

It's tragic all the way around and it doesn't add up.  If you need a code to get into upark and code was given to soccer player and friend and girlfriend/deceased were expecting them…how did the other 3 come into the picture?  who gave them the code?  what was so extra special about that pot that it took 5 guys to come get it?  maybe I've watched too much tv in my life.  Just thinking that maybe soccer player and friend maybe didn't know the other 3 were coming.

Posted On: Dec 31st 2015, 10:18 AM #353496

What doesn't add up?  5 guys went to rob a drug dealer and it went terribly wrong.  You engage in "dangerous" behavior bad things can happen.  Engaging in illegal activity can make you a target.  In the drug dealers case, the five guys decide to rob him, because what is he going to do?  Call the police?  The 5 guys think he has a lot of pot and probably a lot of cash lets go visit him.

The four guys came with the soccer player who must have known the drug dealer because the drug dealer texted him the code.  It's all bad.  Hopefully the soccer player (I refuse to say his name) figures out that he did wrong and turn his friends in.  Could mean the difference between a life sentence and a death sentence.

Posted On: Dec 31st 2015, 11:19 AM #353497

You may need a new adding machine, if that adds up  

The 4 guys know the soccer player knows the drug dealer and the girlfriend because he she let him in.  You kill a guy and you leave a witness alone when you know she can identify at least one of you?

Maybe they were smoking too much weed.

To be convicted of first degree murder he will have to be the one who pulled the trigger, otherwise he is just an accomplice/accessory. Of course, since they only have him he will take the brunt for now. And they can also use that as leverage to get him to talk.

Has to be smart enough not to "take one for the team" in this one if he didn't do it…

Rick said

To be convicted of first degree murder he will have to be the one who pulled the trigger, otherwise he is just an accomplice/accessory. Of course, since they only have him he will take the brunt for now. And they can also use that as leverage to get him to talk.

Has to be smart enough not to "take one for the team" in this one if he didn't do it…

You don't have to pull the trigger to be convicted of first degree murder, but that may be the case for the death  sentence.

oc irritant said

Rick said

To be convicted of first degree murder he will have to be the one who pulled the trigger, otherwise he is just an accomplice/accessory. Of course, since they only have him he will take the brunt for now. And they can also use that as leverage to get him to talk.

Has to be smart enough not to "take one for the team" in this one if he didn't do it…

Posted On: Dec 31st 2015, 11:51 AM #353500

You don't have to pull the trigger to be convicted of first degree murder, but that may be the case for the death  sentence.

Posted On: Dec 31st 2015, 12:34 PM #353501

Actually both of you are right, but it all depends on the eye witness and if she can give a positive ID on who actually pulled the trigger. Even then a accessory to first degree murder if he gets charged with it still carries at least a minimum of 20+ years. Now the DA could cut him a deal if he wasnt the one who shot him. Conviction on a lesser charge for the actual shooter and other accessories. Yet I dont think the DA will be willing to cut to deal due to the location and nature of the crime. But just my opinion.

OC Irritant said

owl in training said

It's tragic all the way around and it doesn't add up.  If you need a code to get into upark and code was given to soccer player and friend and girlfriend/deceased were expecting them…how did the other 3 come into the picture?  who gave them the code?  what was so extra special about that pot that it took 5 guys to come get it?  maybe I've watched too much tv in my life.  Just thinking that maybe soccer player and friend maybe didn't know the other 3 were coming.

Posted On: Dec 31st 2015, 10:18 AM #353496

What doesn't add up?  5 guys went to rob a drug dealer and it went terribly wrong.  You engage in "dangerous" behavior bad things can happen.  Engaging in illegal activity can make you a target.  In the drug dealers case, the five guys decide to rob him, because what is he going to do?  Call the police?  The 5 guys think he has a lot of pot and probably a lot of cash lets go visit him.

The four guys came with the soccer player who must have known the drug dealer because the drug dealer texted him the code.  It's all bad.  Hopefully the soccer player (I refuse to say his name) figures out that he did wrong and turn his friends in.  Could mean the difference between a life sentence and a death sentence.

Posted On: Dec 31st 2015, 11:19 AM #353497

ok…I didn't say that didn't happen and that's not the part that I was referring to when I stated it didn't add up to me.  In other words, there appears to be more to the story.  Perhaps we'll hear about it, perhaps we won't.  If 5 guys wanted the pot, even two guys wanted it, then just rob him and take it.  Why shoot and kill him and why did they show up at the door at different times accordig to the reports? That's all I was wondering.  Doesn't matter.  Just curious.  Regardless, senseless.

fauowl said

OC Irritant said

owl in training said

It's tragic all the way around and it doesn't add up.  If you need a code to get into upark and code was given to soccer player and friend and girlfriend/deceased were expecting them…how did the other 3 come into the picture?  who gave them the code?  what was so extra special about that pot that it took 5 guys to come get it?  maybe I've watched too much tv in my life.  Just thinking that maybe soccer player and friend maybe didn't know the other 3 were coming.

Posted On: Dec 31st 2015, 10:18 AM #353496

What doesn't add up?  5 guys went to rob a drug dealer and it went terribly wrong.  You engage in "dangerous" behavior bad things can happen.  Engaging in illegal activity can make you a target.  In the drug dealers case, the five guys decide to rob him, because what is he going to do?  Call the police?  The 5 guys think he has a lot of pot and probably a lot of cash lets go visit him.

The four guys came with the soccer player who must have known the drug dealer because the drug dealer texted him the code.  It's all bad.  Hopefully the soccer player (I refuse to say his name) figures out that he did wrong and turn his friends in.  Could mean the difference between a life sentence and a death sentence.

Posted On: Dec 31st 2015, 11:19 AM #353497

You may need a new adding machine, if that adds up  

The 4 guys know the soccer player knows the drug dealer and the girlfriend because he she let him in.  You kill a guy and you leave a witness alone when you know she can identify at least one of you?

Maybe they were smoking too much weed.

Posted On: Dec 31st 2015, 11:39 AM #353499

Just a guess the guys come in point a gun, theres a struggle, 2 shots.  Not that it makes a difference, but I don't think they planned to use the gun, and if they did that was really poor planning.  

This is an unfortunate situation for Mr. Henry as under Florida law, he is just as liable for the killing as the shooter as are the other co-defendants. Considering the prosecution's star witness saw everything and can likely identify all defendants, Mr. Henry will probably be going away for a very very long time. 

This is a lesson many college students should learn from. When you get to a certain point in life, you need to leave certain influences (people) in the past. It seems that Mr. Henry allowed these influences to creep around although he was a student athlete at a reputable university.

LawOwl said

This is an unfortunate situation for Mr. Henry as under Florida law, he is just as liable for the killing as the shooter as are the other co-defendants.

Posted On: Dec 31st 2015, 6:44 PM #353506

Unfortunate for Mr. Henry?

I am not feeling sorry for Mr. Henry right now.

Hopefully good comes out of this. Maybe they saved 20 other borderline idiots from thinking this kind of life is cool.

Rick said

OC Irritant said

Boozie132 said

You figure after an incident like that, athletics would be drug testing all athletes in the near future to set a zero tolerance example.

Posted On: Dec 30th 2015, 9:28 PM #353472

You must be from a different generation, because some weed doesn't lead to other drugs or bad people.  Just let everyone be. 

Posted On: Dec 30th 2015, 11:49 PM #353480

I'll speak from personal experience.

It ABSOLUTELY led to other forms of illegal behavior and less than desirable company as a teenager. Basically a double life - one for family and school and one for drug use.

Not going to divulge my past, but have plenty of friends who threw their former productive lives and relationships away and completely changed as adult individuals with no goals and lousy/lost jobs so they can continue to do 4:20 anytime they want with others who share the same chains.

one could argue that it depends on the individual, but it is a proven scientific fact that drug use (of any kind) changes brain chemistry and the natural reward system in place therein - leaving users constantly seeking to get back to that original high.

Posted On: Dec 31st 2015, 8:47 AM #353490

To this…

There are people that eat way too much and get too fat.  Cant play with thier kids, have sex with thier partners, or stay alive from a heart attack.

There are people that drink way too much.  Become abusive, lack production at work, die of various diseases.

There are people that obsess with work and money too much.  Dont spend time with thier families, dont care about values, etc.

Just because you personally know people that could not balance thier lives does not mean something should be illegal for free adults in a free country.  There is absolutely no justification for marijuana to be illegal.  Eating sugar changes your brains chemical makeup, so does love in a relationship.  And no, there are millions of people that smoke marijuana that dont lead lives of illegal activity.  The people you know didn't have a value system so they did more illegal things, marijuana did not change thier brains to make them do so.