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UCFKnight85 said

I see no parallel between lying on a resume 40 something years ago and potentially lying to cover up a kid's death.

I challenge everyone here to go read last year's recruiting stories from UCF and see just how many kids picked UCF because they know O'Leary really cares about his players and always want what's best for him.

Current players now say O'Leary is the most caring and straight forward coach that they've ever had.  The only "Credibility issues" are those being perpetuated by the media to sell papers and cause a stir.

It's disgusting for this paper to associate blame to the coaches for what happened.  And, not surprisingly the question was never asked to these "4 players" Why didn't you alert the coaches if you saw Ereck struggling? What steps did you take to help Ereck?  These questions weren't asked because I seriously question the INTEGRITY of the Sentinel.

You didn't really respond to the character issue, not that there is any excuse.  I do agree there is no correlation with this kids unfortunate death though.

GO OWLS!
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UCFKnight85 said

I see no parallel between lying on a resume 40 something years ago and potentially lying to cover up a kid's death.

I challenge everyone here to go read last year's recruiting stories from UCF and see just how many kids picked UCF because they know O'Leary really cares about his players and always want what's best for him.

Current players now say O'Leary is the most caring and straight forward coach that they've ever had.  The only "Credibility issues" are those being perpetuated by the media to sell papers and cause a stir.

It's disgusting for this paper to associate blame to the coaches for what happened.  And, not surprisingly the question was never asked to these "4 players" Why didn't you alert the coaches if you saw Ereck struggling? What steps did you take to help Ereck?  These questions weren't asked because I seriously question the INTEGRITY of the Sentinel.

Ok, let me try this again… I'm not trying to link lying on a resume to a kid's death.  The point I was trying to make was about his credibility and how people are (naturally) going to view this.  "Oh, isn't that the school that hired O'Leary, the guy who got fired after five days on the job at Notre Dame because he fluffed up his resume?  Well, how much can we believe him at face value?"

Plus, it was seven years ago, not 40.  Maybe he started doing it 40 years ago, but it continued for the next 33 until it caught up with him at Notre Dame.

Next, I don't have to read the recruiting stories because I'm sure it's exactly what you said.  But I think no matter where you go, pretty much all recruits everywhere say something like that about their coaches when they're recruited.  Who goes to a college because the coach there is a rotten bastard who doesn't give a crap about his players?

And last, do you really want to turn this around on the four players who spoke up?  Don't throw them under the bus to save the coaches and protect The Program at all costs.  I agree that we should find out what happened out there before pointing fingers.  I know they probably call it the "Slantinel" for a reason, but don't forget – this was their teammate, their friend.
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UCFKnight85 said

I see no parallel between lying on a resume 40 something years ago and potentially lying to cover up a kid's death.

I challenge everyone here to go read last year's recruiting stories from UCF and see just how many kids picked UCF because they know O'Leary really cares about his players and always want what's best for him.

Current players now say O'Leary is the most caring and straight forward coach that they've ever had.  The only "Credibility issues" are those being perpetuated by the media to sell papers and cause a stir.

It's disgusting for this paper to associate blame to the coaches for what happened.  And, not surprisingly the question was never asked to these "4 players" Why didn't you alert the coaches if you saw Ereck struggling? What steps did you take to help Ereck?  These questions weren't asked because I seriously question the INTEGRITY of the Sentinel.

Ok, let me try this again… I'm not trying to link lying on a resume to a kid's death.  The point I was trying to make was about his credibility and how people are (naturally) going to view this.  "Oh, isn't that the school that hired O'Leary, the guy who got fired after five days on the job at Notre Dame because he fluffed up his resume?  Well, how much can we believe him at face value?"

Plus, it was seven years ago, not 40.  Maybe he started doing it 40 years ago, but it continued for the next 33 until it caught up with him at Notre Dame.

Next, I don't have to read the recruiting stories because I'm sure it's exactly what you said.  But I think no matter where you go, pretty much all recruits everywhere say something like that about their coaches when they're recruited.  Who goes to a college because the coach there is a rotten bastard who doesn't give a crap about his players?

And last, do you really want to turn this around on the four players who spoke up?  Don't throw them under the bus to save the coaches and protect The Program at all costs.  I agree that we should find out what happened out there before pointing fingers.  I know they probably call it the "Slantinel" for a reason, but don't forget – this was their teammate, their friend.

Do you in any way believe that O'Leary's flap at Notre Dame with the resume IN ANY WAY caused or aided this poor kid's death?

If you say no, then this entire point/discussion is mute and pointless and is once again only the bi-product of a pathetic, worthless paper intent on causing a stir and abusing the fact that they're the only major paper in Orlando.

PS- The Sentinel went to Plancher's parents and tried to incite anger by TELLING THEM UCF was not going to pay for the funeral as planned.  The only problem is that UCF has the resources in hand and ready to be delivered this week.  Basically, the Sentinel went to his parents to lie and create controversy.

The deeper this crap goes with the Sentinel the more sick it becomes.
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UCFKnight85 said

Do you in any way believe that O'Leary's flap at Notre Dame with the resume IN ANY WAY caused or aided this poor kid's death?

If you say no, then this entire point/discussion is mute and pointless and is once again only the bi-product of a pathetic, worthless paper intent on causing a stir and abusing the fact that they're the only major paper in Orlando.

PS- The Sentinel went to Plancher's parents and tried to incite anger by TELLING THEM UCF was not going to pay for the funeral as planned.  The only problem is that UCF has the resources in hand and ready to be delivered this week.  Basically, the Sentinel went to his parents to lie and create controversy.

The deeper this crap goes with the Sentinel the more sick it becomes.

No, the kid didn't die because George O'Leary lied on a resume  ::), but I'm not so willing to accept what he says at face value and call it a day.  The coaches are saying one thing, the players are saying another.  Sounds like nobody was telling the players' side until the media got involved.  Is their side of the story irrelevant?  I don't know much about the Orlando Sentinel, but the way you feel sounds a lot like how this board goes haywire everytime someone writes an FAU article in the Palm Beach Post.  Regardless, I would think that you as a fan (and presumably an alum) would want to know what really happened out there.  I'm sorry, but this might not go away so easily.
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Now WAIT a minute.

The "players" are saying a different thing?  Correction- 4 "players" that were not named by the Sentinel said this.  That's the whole problem with how the Sentinel is doing this- using the basis of 4 anonymous sources with NO follow up questions for their assault on O'Leary's character.

I don't mean to sound mean, but you're so far removed from the situation that you can't make a real judgment.  All you know is that O'Leary lied at Notre Dame and therefore he must still be a character concern.  What you don't know is that I know several players personally and while they ALL admit he is an old school hardass, they ALL agree that he cares about them 100% and wants to get the best from them.

Make no mistake- Ereck Plancher had tons and tons of friends on that team.  If his team mates really did think that the coaches are lying (wouldn't the players have to be too?) they'd be coming forward SCREAMING that this was done wrong and people should know.  The problem for the Sentinel and theorists like you is they AREN'T coming forward.  The only "evidence" we have that any misdoing occurred was the story of 4 supposed players that the Sentinel won't release.

The fact that I have to even have this debate instead of just honoring a great kid like Ereck tells you all you need to know about the wreckless idiots who run the Sentinel. 
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anyone read this? Ben Mofit ripping O'leary apart. pretty nuts.

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Steven, not Ben.  But not very flattering, nonetheless.
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UCFKnight85 said


I challenge everyone here to go read last year's recruiting stories from UCF and see just how many kids picked UCF because they know O'Leary really cares about his players and always want what's best for him.

Current players now say O'Leary is the most caring and straight forward coach that they've ever had.  The only "Credibility issues" are those being perpetuated by the media to sell papers and cause a stir.


I don't think anyone is buying this O'Leary cares about his players crap anymore, O'Leary cares about himself and his winning whether he has to lie about the road to get there means nothing to him.  I will go out on a limb here and predict if he is around UCF in 5+ years it will follow with NCAA sanctions and probations because in my opinion that's the type of coach he appears to be.

GO OWLS!
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UCFKnight85 said

Now WAIT a minute.

The "players" are saying a different thing?  Correction- 4 "players" that were not named by the Sentinel said this.  That's the whole problem with how the Sentinel is doing this- using the basis of 4 anonymous sources with NO follow up questions for their assault on O'Leary's character.

I don't mean to sound mean, but you're so far removed from the situation that you can't make a real judgment.  All you know is that O'Leary lied at Notre Dame and therefore he must still be a character concern.  What you don't know is that I know several players personally and while they ALL admit he is an old school hardass, they ALL agree that he cares about them 100% and wants to get the best from them.

Make no mistake- Ereck Plancher had tons and tons of friends on that team.  If his team mates really did think that the coaches are lying (wouldn't the players have to be too?) they'd be coming forward SCREAMING that this was done wrong and people should know.  The problem for the Sentinel and theorists like you is they AREN'T coming forward.  The only "evidence" we have that any misdoing occurred was the story of 4 supposed players that the Sentinel won't release.

The fact that I have to even have this debate instead of just honoring a great kid like Ereck tells you all you need to know about the wreckless idiots who run the Sentinel.

Well, I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree.  I'll grant you that I'm not anywhere near as close to the program as you apparently are, and I don't know the history of UCF vs. the Orlando Sentinel, but I'm still not sure it's that much different than the battles a lot of local papers fight against the local colleges and universities.  But my point wasn't that I know what really happened at UCF – of course I don't.  My point wasn't that O'Leary killed him.  My point wasn't even that O'Leary did anything wrong.  And I don't believe I posited any new theories.  My point was… ah hell, go back and read it.

But while you're honoring Ereck, make sure you don't inadvertently dishonor him by not finding out what happened.  Yeah, the Sentinel might have an agenda – the Moffett article would piss me off, too, and it's clear they at least have it out for O'Leary – but just because you hate the messenger doesn't necessarily mean that it couldn't have been prevented.  Maybe it couldn't have been prevented, and if that's the case, then it is.  But a seemingly healthy 19-year-old football player died unexpectedly, so obviously something went wrong somewhere, and it's important to find out what.  I hope we can at least agree on that.
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The practice was like any other practice except Ereck felt like crap. The last thing going through his mind was that he was dying. The last thing on the coaches' minds was that Ereck was dying. Because he felt like crap, he was a weak link during drills and he got yelled at. It's football. I'm sure if anybody knew the severity of the situation…Ereck, the coaches, the four players observing Ereck, a different chain of events would have taken place. Kids struggle in practice everyday for a variety of reasons. O'Leary asked Ereck as he dropped to one knee if he had eaten breakfast.

IMO it's not the coaches fault. It's not anybody's fault. I understand in today's society, we need something tangible to blame. Let's wait for the medical examiner's final report before we point fingers. We may learn the only place to point to is the sky above.

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