I would be all for any series with UCF in any sport…

Do know that Jarvis is trying to get something going with them for hoops…he wants to play all upper level state schools home and home - it makes sense…but, UCF obviously has nothing to gain by this right now…and it's a sticking point in the potential agreement…

Hopefully that changes.

GratefulDad said

UCF fans, don't make USF out to be snobs who are afraid to play SunBelt teams.  Do your research.  We played FAU twice and FIU once (they pulled out of our other game). And I have never heard a USF fan put down FAU, ever.  The fans I have mentioned them to have nothing but good will toward them because we are young and we remember what it was like.  I have been stopping on this board once in a while for a couple of years giving encouragement and celebrating victories with the Owls.  Just read the comments on the State of Florida board at www.thebullspen.com.  We talk up FAU.  UCF's problems with FAU stem from their fear that the Owls are going to pass them by and I believe that is a reasonable possibility.

LOL

Right. Maybe we have a problem with USF fans because they infect our board like a plague from hell.

And maybe you should check YOUR facts, as UCF has signed a 4 year deal with FIU starting in 2011. It's been pushed back since we signed a 1-1 with Kansas State.

GratefulDad said

UCF's problems with FAU stem from their fear that the Owls are going to pass them by and I believe that is a reasonable possibility.

That's the way I always took it, (at least from the ones that would come on here and talk smack).

USF won't play C-USA teams at all.  Haven't seen them play MAC either.  In fact, playing UCF only fulfilled contract obligations USF had with C-USA (after the previous deal was signed under threat of a Florida House of Legislation Bill when UCF's program was tanking into its losing streak).

Has USF signed any new deals to play FAU or FIU?  Or anyone else from the SunBelt?  Most of them are legacy from what I understand, but I'm willing to be proven wrong.

My point is that USF keeps playing two or even three I-AA (or 1st year I-A in the case of Western Kentucky, from a previous contract when they were I-AA) teams per year.  How is that "better" than signing with non-BCS teams in I-A?

UCF would much rather play I-A teams than I-AA teams.  That's why we signed a 4-game deal with FIU.  I'm sure UCF would sign one with FAU if some of our schedule opens up, or after the FIU series completes.

We will get deals with UCF and USF and FSU WHEN WE GET A STADIUM.

GeorgiaOwl said

We will get deals with UCF and USF and FSU WHEN WE GET A STADIUM.

Honestly, no smack whatsoever, is that ever happening? That's been the "word" for years now going back to when there was some dome proposed.

UCFKnight85 said

GeorgiaOwl said

We will get deals with UCF and USF and FSU WHEN WE GET A STADIUM.

Honestly, no smack whatsoever, is that ever happening? That's been the "word" for years now going back to when there was some dome proposed.

Believe me, we wish we knew. The city of Boca said do what you gotta do we approve of everything, the ball is in your court now. I've heard they have naming rights but haven't announced it, I've heard they're still waiting for naming rights which is why no announcement. Honestly at this point, I don't believe anything I hear until I can see it with my own eyes. HOPEFULLY we get everything set and we break ground by March/April but wouldn't be surprised if that doesn't happen

UCFKnight85 said

GeorgiaOwl said

We will get deals with UCF and USF and FSU WHEN WE GET A STADIUM.

Honestly, no smack whatsoever, is that ever happening? That's been the "word" for years now going back to when there was some dome proposed.

I've never posted on UCF's forum and hated when FAU fans did.  However, all of my hatred for them was from the talk some of them have posted on them.  They constantly put FAU and FIU down as terrible schools (academics).  They talk as if their football team is all mighty and a big player in college football yet they play in the MAC ( a small step ahead of the Sun Belt).  On top of that many of them are overly obsessed with hating a way more successful program in USF, a program they have failed to beat and lost their rivalry series with.  And what bothers me the most is that if UCF win's a "crap" bowl like New Orleans or St. Pete this year they will all come out and talk about how their program has "arrived" and is on the right track.  Yet, when FAU did it was "not a big deal" and "who cares they suck".

Many of them talk about how Boca Raton "hates" FAU and that our campus is an eyesore for the city.  They would go on to say that Boca would do everything in their power to stop the stadium.  Yet, the city council just unanimously approved the stadium deal.  So ignorance at it's finest there.  I'm sure there are some really cool UCF fans but they seem to be few and far between.  Most of them seem to be ignorant 18-20 tool's who truly believe that the soul purpose of college is getting wasted and what school's name is on your degree that will dictate your life.  So yeah, that sums it up for me.

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They constantly put FAU and FIU down as terrible schools (academics).

UCF has regularly had the highest grades and SAT scores in the Florida State University system.  But it's typically only marginal to most others.

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They talk as if their football team is all mighty and a big player in college football yet they play in the MAC ( a small step ahead of the Sun Belt).

And as I said, UCF's program tanked by going into the MAC.  But UCF was being bullied by the NCAA to get into a conference, and only the MAC and Sun Belt made offers.  We couldn't schedule the required four (4) I-A home games a year and the NCAA threatened to kick us back to I-AA.  We had several years in the late '90s with only 4 home games (out of 11), and most were scrambles to find anyone after the "pull outs" of 1997 by BCS programs.

UCF's recruiting went completely south when it went from being an independent to a MAC football-only member.  It was the worst thing for UCF.  Worse yet, people thought we were arrogant because someone in the Orlando Sentinel (who is honestly filled with reporters from other Florida colleges who despise UCF – thank God for Florida Today, one of the few outlets that don't), purposely misquoted UCF's head coach to project arrogance he never made.

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On top of that many of them are overly obsessed with hating a way more successful program in USF, a program they have failed to beat and lost their rivalry series with.

Which USF never wanted to happen until a bill was put before the Florida State Legislature (the same way UF finally had to cave to FSU).  And that wasn't until UCF was in the MAC, the recruiting tanked after the first year, several key players were kicked off the team and UCF was already several losses into what would be a 17 game losing streak.  After the first two (2) games, the subsequent two (2) were just to complete their C-USA requirements.

So by the time the first game actually happened, USF had a Big East invite for two (2) years of recruiting.  Let's see here, UCF on a 17 game losing streak as a result of going into the MAC, and USF riding the wave of two years of recruiting with a Big East invite.  UCF's recruiting is only now starting to recover from 2001-2004 and the resulting 17 game losing streak from 2003-2005.  Heck, the only reason we had decent years in 2005 and 2007 was because of Kevin Smith (who was injured quite a bit of 2006).

USF haven't played anyone from C-USA again, don't think anyone from the MAC ever.  There were prior FAU and FIU contracts (I'm willing to eat my words, but) and no one else from the Sun Belt.  Yet they had three (3) I-AA schools scheduled this year, and 2-3 in most of the last few.  They lucked out that Western Kentucky moved up to I-A or they'd really be in bowl qualification trouble this year.  So how come they can't play us?  That's what we've said.

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And what bothers me the most is that if UCF win's a "crap" bowl like New Orleans or St. Pete this year they will all come out and talk about how their program has "arrived" and is on the right track.  Yet, when FAU did it was "not a big deal" and "who cares they suck"

I won't.  At the same time, to address your sig…

2007:  UCF plays a SEC team with one of the top defenses in 2007 (and Kevin Smith broke the yardage of some other people playing the NFL), losing only late in the 4th quarter
2005:  UCF plays, basically, the WAC co-champion (w/Boise State) and loses in overtime due to a missed PAT

No offense, but there is a huge difference in playing #4 SEC and #1 WAC versus the #4 C-USA, although I will give FAU kudos on beating #1 MAC.

If you "piss at UCF," understand some Knights will "piss back."

Also remember that UCF in the 21st century is not the UCF of 1997-1999.  We made the mistake of scaring the crap out of everyone that virtually no one would play us, let alone not at home on even 2-for-1s.  We have never gotten a home game from SEC, and most ACC teams that we had 2-for-1s with had pull out by mid-1997.  Virginia, for example, pulled out when we were leading Nebraska at halftime 17-14 in 2007 (yes, that was the year they were co-national champs with Florida).  We were playing SEC teams and going to overtime, losing by 1-3 points, etc…  The Big 12 would have nothing to do with us ever again (until the 2-for-1 Texas deal for the 2007+ meetings).

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Many of them talk about how Boca Raton "hates" FAU and that our campus is an eyesore for the city.  They would go on to say that Boca would do everything in their power to stop the stadium.  Yet, the city council just unanimously approved the stadium deal.  So ignorance at it's finest there.

Sigh, so many Knights are pulling for you guys to get a stadium.  As far as ignorant Knights, ignore them.

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I'm sure there are some really cool UCF fans but they seem to be few and far between.  Most of them seem to be ignorant 18-20 tool's who truly believe that the soul purpose of college is getting wasted and what school's name is on your degree that will dictate your life.  So yeah, that sums it up for me.

Well, understand I came on this board with a positive attitude and not being negative.  However, given your sig, I see that you're not interested in appreciating anything about UCF like I do FAU.  I recognize that you have not come to UCF's board to project it.  But understand I came here being considerate.

UCFBS said

Understand I came here being considerate.

Which we certainly appreciate.

As you've stated, it's imperative to ignore some fans and focus on others. I'd like to see more of an effort be made on both boards to point out that a comment made by a fan is not representative of all fans from that particular group. The troll scizod (who goes by the moniker Owl Pride on there and several names on Ted Hutton's blog) claims allegiance to UCF and starts flame wars with the specific intent of dragging our two fanbases into a war of words that should have never transpired in the first place. However, he's not a "typical UCF fan"… he's an outlier and should be treated as such.

My personal experiences have been divided. In real life, the majority of UCF and FAU fans have no bad blood. For instance, I get along very well with my friends from UCF and UF and if we ever talk about college sports, it's always in a complimentary way. "Kevin Smith got drafted!" "Cool man, we're hoping Rusty Smith gets drafted too. " "Yeah, I've heard good things about him."

Online, it's different; it's always different behind the wall of anonymity, a wall that allowed at least a handful of UCF fans to snipe at me even when I came looking for civil discourse. Maybe they were retaliating: at least one poster from here made a fool of himself over there.

Paradoxically, all of this immature bickering means nothing. It's a tug-of-war without a rope. We don't get money, girls or national rankings for waging flame wars. No one gives a **** if you "won" an argument on the internet. They really, really don't. We can volley forward countless petty arguments about FAU vs UCF and drag this thread out to a thousand pages but what's the point?

Really… what's the point? A fleeting sense of pride? Small personal victories? It's stupid and we're all wasting our lives trying to one up each other when we could be out supporting our programs in a more positive way.