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JulesFIU07 said

jgf2017 said

What youíre saying is incredibly innacurate. There was an exodus of upper middle class people to either Highly exclusive communities, or Broward and Palm Beach Counties. The reason the ones that stayed are now almost predominantly in wealthy, isolated communities is because Miami is a dump.

Youíre absolutely wrong. There wasnt a great amount of upper middle class people that replaced them. It was all rich people. Now thereís all sorts of unfortunate situations going on between long time residents and people who just moved to Miami. Youíre providing innacurrate information. You have no idea what youíre talking about. Why do you constantly bring up the more rich people in Miami. Youíre proving my point. I said thatís the problem. Again, you have absolutely no idea what youíre talking about. Youíre completely wrong. How many times do I have to tel you that itís the rich people that are the problem. And then you come back at me and tel me thereís a lot of rich people. Duh!†
Posted On: Jun 29th 2019, 2:00 PM #387018

Look, I commented on here because, as a third generation Miamian and someone whose family and have personally been involved with supporting the growth of this community,†I will defend it when someone grossly mischaracterizes it.

Now you have moved the goal posts a couple of times, but ignoring that fact, here we go.

Save for Fisher Island and Indian Creek, none of the communities I mentioned are exclusively for the ultra wealthy. †In fact, several of the neighborhoods and cities I mentioned are either in the City of Miami, or within the urban core; and all are easily accessible.

You hate Miami, fine, your prerogative. †It is too international, too expensive, too gritty; whatever, it is a global gateway city and the heart of the 7th largest metro area in America. †It is going to have rich areas, poor areas, and middle class areas. †

You like PBC, great, be happy up there. †Whatever you think makes it better, cherish it; but your personal tastes arenít facts, and donít dictate what is appealing to consumers and residents at large.

Everyone else, more than happy to discuss AAC, CUSA, any questions you have about FIU; and, if you find yourself headed to Miami, more than happy to provide recommendations for restaurants, bars, and other activities.


Posted On: Jun 29th 2019, 3:52 PM #387019

One of my favorite things about FAU football is the rivalry with FIU football. Last year, even though the season got away from us, it was a point of pride for me that we won the Shula Bowl. That's not a rub, I'm building to a point (probably an anti-climactic one, but still).

How far back in the thread did you read? I was making an argument earlier about time and place (read the vomit comment as rivalry banter, please) and the AAC. Yada-yada-yada. My preferred focus is regional, or at least semi-regional, football. And while I think FAU isn't and probably shouldn't move to the AAC (right now), I'd prefer that when we move (where ever we move), FIU moves with us…

Is that ever the sentiment down south? But again, to be clear, if either school is offered alone, they should take it.

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jgf2017 said

I donít think anyone cares about†
Miami and has questions for you about FIU. Thatís all you. And by the way, my family had a much longer history in Miami than yours. And it seems to me like youíre trying to convince people of how FIU is better than FAU. It doesnít take a genius to figure that out.
As you have undoubtedly reviewed every single post Iíve ever made, you should also see that I never really said anything bad about FIU other than to try to poke fun about it but if I was too controversial Iím sorry. I donít believe, besides that and saying itís a dump, I donít believe Iíve trashed the school. I never said the school sucks and is always going to suck, or anything like that.†
However, Iím not going to say theyíre great either, as this is not the place for it. In fact, thatís the advice Iím giving you.†
Give it a break with your trumpeting FIU and Miami. Respect the fact that this is not the place. Havenít you guys gotten terrorized by us on the field lately? Well, that should be your answer if you ever wonder whether you should keep on saying FIU is all that. We have been crushing you guys. End of story
Posted On: Jun 29th 2019, 4:08 PM #387021

…I was typing as you must have posted…irony…or near enough.
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jgf2017 said

I donít think anyone cares about†
Miami and has questions for you about FIU.
Posted On: Jun 29th 2019, 4:08 PM #387021

Actually there are a lot of TON members who who visit EVERY single fan forum in the conference…but we hardly get any here who post, and this is a prime reason why.

You're initial post was reported by another member BTW…so, again, lets try and keep it friendly.

Thanks


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Art Vandelay said

JulesFIU07 said

jgf2017 said

What youíre saying is incredibly innacurate. There was an exodus of upper middle class people to either Highly exclusive communities, or Broward and Palm Beach Counties. The reason the ones that stayed are now almost predominantly in wealthy, isolated communities is because Miami is a dump.

Youíre absolutely wrong. There wasnt a great amount of upper middle class people that replaced them. It was all rich people. Now thereís all sorts of unfortunate situations going on between long time residents and people who just moved to Miami. Youíre providing innacurrate information. You have no idea what youíre talking about. Why do you constantly bring up the more rich people in Miami. Youíre proving my point. I said thatís the problem. Again, you have absolutely no idea what youíre talking about. Youíre completely wrong. How many times do I have to tel you that itís the rich people that are the problem. And then you come back at me and tel me thereís a lot of rich people. Duh!†
Posted On: Jun 29th 2019, 2:00 PM #387018

Look, I commented on here because, as a third generation Miamian and someone whose family and have personally been involved with supporting the growth of this community,†I will defend it when someone grossly mischaracterizes it.

Now you have moved the goal posts a couple of times, but ignoring that fact, here we go.

Save for Fisher Island and Indian Creek, none of the communities I mentioned are exclusively for the ultra wealthy. †In fact, several of the neighborhoods and cities I mentioned are either in the City of Miami, or within the urban core; and all are easily accessible.

You hate Miami, fine, your prerogative. †It is too international, too expensive, too gritty; whatever, it is a global gateway city and the heart of the 7th largest metro area in America. †It is going to have rich areas, poor areas, and middle class areas. †

You like PBC, great, be happy up there. †Whatever you think makes it better, cherish it; but your personal tastes arenít facts, and donít dictate what is appealing to consumers and residents at large.

Everyone else, more than happy to discuss AAC, CUSA, any questions you have about FIU; and, if you find yourself headed to Miami, more than happy to provide recommendations for restaurants, bars, and other activities.


Posted On: Jun 29th 2019, 3:52 PM #387019

One of my favorite things about FAU football is the rivalry with FIU football. Last year, even though the season got away from us, it was a point of pride for me that we won the Shula Bowl. That's not a rub, I'm building to a point (probably an anti-climactic one, but still).

How far back in the thread did you read? I was making an argument earlier about time and place (read the vomit comment as rivalry banter, please) and the AAC. Yada-yada-yada. My preferred focus is regional, or at least semi-regional, football. And while I think FAU isn't and probably shouldn't move to the AAC (right now), I'd prefer that when we move (where ever we move), FIU moves with us…

Is that ever the sentiment down south? But again, to be clear, if either school is offered alone, they should take it.


Posted On: Jun 29th 2019, 4:14 PM #387022



I cannot say that I have read enough of what has been posted, though I have followed your 2019 thread closely as I am curious to see how we will match up this year.

We recognize that we have been joined at the hip forever. †I often tell people that the two most important institutions in South Florida are FIU and FAU, precisely because our alma matters have educated most of the degree holders in the region.

We also know that this is a real rivalry. †We certainly hate losing to you guys, and we love beating you. Also it is clear a rising tide lifts both our ships, and a rivalry joining the northern and southern points of the seventh largest metro area in America is a good thing.

Our attention towards FAU can be a little divided though. †While outside of baseball†we donít have a real rivalry with UM, their proximity to us means that we really relish the opportunity to knock them off. †Additionally, we see a meaningful victory over them as an opportunity to win over the doubters in Dade and Broward.

Hope that answers your question.
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JulesFIU07 said

Art Vandelay said

JulesFIU07 said

jgf2017 said

What youíre saying is incredibly innacurate. There was an exodus of upper middle class people to either Highly exclusive communities, or Broward and Palm Beach Counties. The reason the ones that stayed are now almost predominantly in wealthy, isolated communities is because Miami is a dump.

Youíre absolutely wrong. There wasnt a great amount of upper middle class people that replaced them. It was all rich people. Now thereís all sorts of unfortunate situations going on between long time residents and people who just moved to Miami. Youíre providing innacurrate information. You have no idea what youíre talking about. Why do you constantly bring up the more rich people in Miami. Youíre proving my point. I said thatís the problem. Again, you have absolutely no idea what youíre talking about. Youíre completely wrong. How many times do I have to tel you that itís the rich people that are the problem. And then you come back at me and tel me thereís a lot of rich people. Duh!†
Posted On: Jun 29th 2019, 2:00 PM #387018

Look, I commented on here because, as a third generation Miamian and someone whose family and have personally been involved with supporting the growth of this community,†I will defend it when someone grossly mischaracterizes it.

Now you have moved the goal posts a couple of times, but ignoring that fact, here we go.

Save for Fisher Island and Indian Creek, none of the communities I mentioned are exclusively for the ultra wealthy. †In fact, several of the neighborhoods and cities I mentioned are either in the City of Miami, or within the urban core; and all are easily accessible.

You hate Miami, fine, your prerogative. †It is too international, too expensive, too gritty; whatever, it is a global gateway city and the heart of the 7th largest metro area in America. †It is going to have rich areas, poor areas, and middle class areas. †

You like PBC, great, be happy up there. †Whatever you think makes it better, cherish it; but your personal tastes arenít facts, and donít dictate what is appealing to consumers and residents at large.

Everyone else, more than happy to discuss AAC, CUSA, any questions you have about FIU; and, if you find yourself headed to Miami, more than happy to provide recommendations for restaurants, bars, and other activities.


Posted On: Jun 29th 2019, 3:52 PM #387019

One of my favorite things about FAU football is the rivalry with FIU football. Last year, even though the season got away from us, it was a point of pride for me that we won the Shula Bowl. That's not a rub, I'm building to a point (probably an anti-climactic one, but still).

How far back in the thread did you read? I was making an argument earlier about time and place (read the vomit comment as rivalry banter, please) and the AAC. Yada-yada-yada. My preferred focus is regional, or at least semi-regional, football. And while I think FAU isn't and probably shouldn't move to the AAC (right now), I'd prefer that when we move (where ever we move), FIU moves with us…

Is that ever the sentiment down south? But again, to be clear, if either school is offered alone, they should take it.


Posted On: Jun 29th 2019, 4:14 PM #387022



I cannot say that I have read enough of what has been posted, though I have followed your 2019 thread closely as I am curious to see how we will match up this year.

We recognize that we have been joined at the hip forever. †I often tell people that the two most important institutions in South Florida are FIU and FAU, precisely because our alma matters have educated most of the degree holders in the region.

We also know that this is a real rivalry. †We certainly hate losing to you guys, and we love beating you. Also it is clear a rising tide lifts both our ships, and a rivalry joining the northern and southern points of the seventh largest metro area in America is a good thing.

Our attention towards FAU can be a little divided though. †While outside of baseball†we donít have a real rivalry with UM, their proximity to us means that we really relish the opportunity to knock them off. †Additionally, we see a meaningful victory over them as an opportunity to win over the doubters in Dade and Broward.

Hope that answers your question.
Posted On: Jun 29th 2019, 5:12 PM #387025


I'm picking up what you're putting down.

Outside of this thread, and probably in a few of them, I've wished for something in the way of a Commander-In-Chief's Trophy. Miami, FIU and FAU playing a round-robin every year. It might not be dramatic for a few years (well, it would be to someone) but…


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JulesFIU07 said

jgf2017 said

To see how big FAUís media market we have to realize itís a really big area. Our great AD constantly mentions becoming Palm Beach Countyís team. So I think our area is a lot bigger than the list would suggest. This is where a big win over USF and ucf could come into the equation. Our territory is all of PBC, parts of north Broward and that includes Glades and Pahookie and a couple hours north of FAU. No college anywhere close to FAU has an on campus stadium, if you donít want to go to Latin America†
Posted On: Jun 28th 2019, 9:40 AM #386991



Like I am sure a fair number of FAU fans do, this FIU fan occasionally keeps tabs on what our neighbors to the north are up to. †I found this, and few other comments by you interesting.

On more than one occasion youíve referred to FIU as the ďUniversidad,Ē youíve called the area around the university a dump, questioned why anyone would move to Miami; and then referred to Miami as ďLatin America, as if that is an insult.

At the same time youíve touted FAU for its diversity, Boca for its location and wealth.

Letís touch on a few of these things.

One, university surroundings. †Yeah, Sweetwater is not your typical college town, but then neither is the area around USF. †The area around UCF ten years ago was also a dump. However, a rush of student-centric development rapidly changed the demography of the surrounding area.

Today over 2,000 beds are going up in Sweetwater for students, with more student housing coming. †In fact, I spoke with an urban planner on Wednesday who told me he has never seen so much privately funded student housing go up so quickly as he has at FIU, which indicates pent up demand and an underserved market.

Two, you bring up diversity whilst simultaneously knocking FIUís large Lat Am population. †I donít know if you know this, but from a diversity standpoint this makes FIU one of the most culturally diverse institutions in the country, that is unless you think Cubans and Chileans are the same thing.

Three, Latin America. †Yes, the city of Miami is the financial and cultural capital of Latin America. That means that multiple major corporations have their Lat Am HQs in Miami. †Multiple major Lat Am corporations have their North American HQs in Miami.

It also means we have a large television, music, and arts scene that is of hemispheric importance.

It is because of our deep connection to Latin America that I was lucky enough to work for a Wall Street firm, and then actually move to a better job with a Sanhattan (look it up) based global financial institution whoís North American HQ is right here in Miami.

Finally, wealth. †Youíve brought up all the rich people in Boca. †I got bad news for you, Boca ainít Palm Beach, and Palm Beach isnít the Mecca for money it once was. †That title now belongs to the coastal communities of Miami.

The median household income of Fisher Island, Golden Beach, Indian Creek, and Key Biscayne are all greater than Boca; and those are just the coastal communities, Pinecrest and Miami Shores are higher too.

The flood of Northeasterners to Florida has been most acutely felt in Dade, where the bottom 90% of Miami Beach homes now sell for $1.65 million, and the top 10% average over $10 million. †Where hedgies buy condos for anywhere from $5 million to $70 million.

And do you know why they come to Miami? †Because we are global, because we are a little gritty and edgy, because we ainít vanilla.

As for the AAC, it is a crap shoot for all of us.
Posted On: Jun 28th 2019, 10:13 PM #386998



Solid troll job. Your post reads like a slanted NYT op-Ed.†

Youíre money analysis is not only wrong (the references total wealth) as you cherry pick a few ultra high wealth communities that have literally no ties to fiu. Insofar as they would support any college, it would be um.

In Boca and palm beach county, there are multiple UHNW (ultra high net worth) individuals who donate millions to FAU, both for athletics and academics.

Also, tons of north easterners are moving into palm beach county. I just flew out of PBI to New York and every single New Yorker I spoke to was here to look at houses in PBC. This is not even to mention the glut of condos that have seen sales and prices plummet in Miami because many of the South Americans that had been moving in either (a) canít afford it because of currency fluctuations or (b) are moving elsewhere (mostly broward, Palm beaches, and Orlando).

I could go into more depth on the erroneous and misleading comments you made, but calling out a few drives the point home. I wouldnít want people on here actually †believing what you said.†

Edit: excuse the typos this was late at night on my phone.†


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NJOWL said

JulesFIU07 said

jgf2017 said

To see how big FAUís media market we have to realize itís a really big area. Our great AD constantly mentions becoming Palm Beach Countyís team. So I think our area is a lot bigger than the list would suggest. This is where a big win over USF and ucf could come into the equation. Our territory is all of PBC, parts of north Broward and that includes Glades and Pahookie and a couple hours north of FAU. No college anywhere close to FAU has an on campus stadium, if you donít want to go to Latin America†
Posted On: Jun 28th 2019, 9:40 AM #386991



Like I am sure a fair number of FAU fans do, this FIU fan occasionally keeps tabs on what our neighbors to the north are up to. †I found this, and few other comments by you interesting.

On more than one occasion youíve referred to FIU as the ďUniversidad,Ē youíve called the area around the university a dump, questioned why anyone would move to Miami; and then referred to Miami as ďLatin America, as if that is an insult.

At the same time youíve touted FAU for its diversity, Boca for its location and wealth.

Letís touch on a few of these things.

One, university surroundings. †Yeah, Sweetwater is not your typical college town, but then neither is the area around USF. †The area around UCF ten years ago was also a dump. However, a rush of student-centric development rapidly changed the demography of the surrounding area.

Today over 2,000 beds are going up in Sweetwater for students, with more student housing coming. †In fact, I spoke with an urban planner on Wednesday who told me he has never seen so much privately funded student housing go up so quickly as he has at FIU, which indicates pent up demand and an underserved market.

Two, you bring up diversity whilst simultaneously knocking FIUís large Lat Am population. †I donít know if you know this, but from a diversity standpoint this makes FIU one of the most culturally diverse institutions in the country, that is unless you think Cubans and Chileans are the same thing.

Three, Latin America. †Yes, the city of Miami is the financial and cultural capital of Latin America. That means that multiple major corporations have their Lat Am HQs in Miami. †Multiple major Lat Am corporations have their North American HQs in Miami.

It also means we have a large television, music, and arts scene that is of hemispheric importance.

It is because of our deep connection to Latin America that I was lucky enough to work for a Wall Street firm, and then actually move to a better job with a Sanhattan (look it up) based global financial institution whoís North American HQ is right here in Miami.

Finally, wealth. †Youíve brought up all the rich people in Boca. †I got bad news for you, Boca ainít Palm Beach, and Palm Beach isnít the Mecca for money it once was. †That title now belongs to the coastal communities of Miami.

The median household income of Fisher Island, Golden Beach, Indian Creek, and Key Biscayne are all greater than Boca; and those are just the coastal communities, Pinecrest and Miami Shores are higher too.

The flood of Northeasterners to Florida has been most acutely felt in Dade, where the bottom 90% of Miami Beach homes now sell for $1.65 million, and the top 10% average over $10 million. †Where hedgies buy condos for anywhere from $5 million to $70 million.

And do you know why they come to Miami? †Because we are global, because we are a little gritty and edgy, because we ainít vanilla.

As for the AAC, it is a crap shoot for all of us.
Posted On: Jun 28th 2019, 10:13 PM #386998



Solid troll job. Your post reads like a slanted NYT op-Ed.†

Youíre money analysis is not only wrong (the references total wealth) as you cherry pick a few ultra high wealth communities that have literally no ties to fiu. Insofar as they would support any college, it would be um.

In Boca and palm beach county, there are multiple UHNW (ultra high net worth) individuals who donate millions to FAU, both for athletics and academics.

Also, tons of north easterners are moving into palm beach county. I just flew out of PBI to New York and every single New Yorker I spoke to was here to look at houses in PBC. This is not even to mention the glut of condos that have seen sales and prices plummet in Miami because many of the South Americans that had been moving in either (a) canít afford it because of currency fluctuations or (b) are moving elsewhere (mostly broward, Palm beaches, and Orlando).

I could go into more depth on the erroneous and misleading comments you made, but calling out a few drives the point home. I wouldnít want people on here actually †believing what you said.†

Edit: excuse the typos this was late at night on my phone.†

Posted On: Jun 29th 2019, 10:47 PM #387027

I guess if what I write sounds like a NYT op ed, then that NYC culture must be rubbing off on us Miamians.
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Art, I donít want to quote the whole block; but yes, some regional version of the Florida Cup would be cool.

As for UM, I am not sold on Manny Jr. †He seems to be engaging in fan service, which leads me to believe that the pressure of the job is potentially too much for him.
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I literally canít believe this is actually a debate whether people would rather live in PBC (even Broward) over Miami. It is a proven fact that people who are considering moving to South Florida almost exclusively flock to PBC because itís a much more pleasant area. PBG recently got voted the nicest city to live in in Florida. And PBG though north of the main campus can deifinitely
Be considered FAU territory and if not can be in the future. Thereís a big campus in Jupiter just in case anyone forgot.†
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jgf2017 said

I literally canít believe this is actually a debate whether people would rather live in PBC (even Broward) over Miami. It is a proven fact that people who are considering moving to South Florida almost exclusively flock to PBC because itís a much more pleasant area. PBG recently got voted the nicest city to live in in Florida. And PBG though north of the main campus can deifinitely
Be considered FAU territory and if not can be in the future. Thereís a big campus in Jupiter just in case anyone forgot.†
Posted On: Jun 30th 2019, 9:58 AM #387030



Guess I should have included a trigger warning…
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