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Art Briles would be a disaster - the media shunning that would bring would hurt our program tremendously. Could be as bad as when we tried naming our stadium after the GEO group. If we could pull Kendal Briles, Jim Leavitt, Scott Frost (if he gets fired from Nebraska)...we could definitely hold our place in the AAC.
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owlmart said

We had 3 penalties for 25 yards, I'd hardly say we were undisciplined. The play calls were there, the WRs dropped 3 very catchable passes. I was disappointed on the opening kickoff and maybe that's coaching. Also, we have to stop with the "we had the #1 recruiting class, therefore we should be number 1" If you look at the Lane years, a lot of them signed, but never made it to campus, or were only here for a little while. Maybe I'm na´ve, but I think the WT hot seat is premature. I think the consensus was a 7-5 or 8-4 season at  the beginning of the year. I agree, WT needs a signature win sooner than later.
Posted On: Nov 7th 2021, 2:05 PM #404797

I agree, and those dropped passes would have made a big difference in the outcome.

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faufan2017 said

Art Briles would be a disaster - the media shunning that would bring would hurt our program tremendously. Could be as bad as when we tried naming our stadium after the GEO group. If we could pull Kendal Briles, Jim Leavitt, Scott Frost (if he gets fired from Nebraska)…we could definitely hold our place in the AAC.
Posted On: Nov 7th 2021, 5:08 PM #404802
Wanted K Briles (please, let's not even mention Art coming here lol) to stay and be the coach in waiting on the first go around. Just feel he would dip as soon as a P5 came calling.
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It's obvious I'm no WT fan as he isn't a good football coach. With that being said, he's not going anywhere. He'll get a 3rd year (probably longer) to prove his worthiness.

IMO Willie's biggest problem is his buddy network coaching staff because the majority of them suck more than he does….

Yes, he's a good recruiter but he recruits players and not a team. Look at the disaster he left at FSU. All that talent but zero cohesiveness.
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Is Michael Johnson Jr as good as advertised? Tempted to see what would happen if he handed the reins to him on O
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cbboarder said

It's obvious I'm no WT fan as he isn't a good football coach. With that being said, he's not going anywhere. He'll get a 3rd year (probably longer) to prove his worthiness.

IMO Willie's biggest problem is his buddy network coaching staff because the majority of them suck more than he does….

Yes, he's a good recruiter but he recruits players and not a team. Look at the disaster he left at FSU. All that talent but zero cohesiveness.
Posted On: Nov 7th 2021, 8:17 PM #404806


I'm just a guy who likes to stick to facts and not emotion these days - not that you are, completely understand the frustration, but just to set the stage for my comments below.

Not sure "suck" is a good word to define performance…I mean, at work, when I receive a review, or have given them, there isn't a "sucks" box to check  :Big-Grin:

That said, these are the selections to choose from:

1. Exemplary (two pay grades above current job)
2. Exceeds (one pay grade above current job)
3. Meets (performing at current job with no concerns)
4. Needs Improvement (not preforming current job with concerns, action plan presented, and follow-up review)
5. Unacceptable (action plan with accountability measures to meet within timeframe, or terminated)

I would also have to say that the FSU situation was bad when Taggart took over, and began with Jimbo, who got out of there quickly when he was offered an SEC job and probably also realized he messed up with some character choices on recruits (to remain competitive) and how hard it would be to correct. Taggart took the job (probably shouldn't have) and then would realize the most downfall in mop-up duty as a result of that. Some of the guys who signed were no where near what they should have been for that level of play. Did they underperform? That's up for debate but not relevant to us in all reality.

Anyways, as for his previous stop as Oregon, Taggart left it better than he found it, and will now move on to coaching ties and the "buddy network" stance:

OC Michael Johnson was obviously an Oregon connection, but he didn't arrive here until after Taggart gave two guys who had no connection an opportunity - Clint Trickett and Drew Mehringer. Just how much influence they had is up for debate, and maybe money played a part, as well as continuity, but the fact is no OC was hired. Since he was hired we're not at the bottom anymore and grace top 5 in most team categories. So, definite improvement, although not where fans want us to be. Will say that it takes time, and having a passing game driven by a QB which currently sits at 59% is not going to help that either.

DC Mike Stoops has zero ties to Taggart other than FAU. No one seemed to have objection with Jim Leavitt being brought in. The former is doing well, and the latter did as well.

LB Coach Raymond Woodie has ties, and that core is doing well. He was also noted as a Top 3 recruiter in C-USA for 2021 by 247 based on their rankings (which we reported on) so bonus there.

OL Coach Ed Warinner has no ties. Everyone would agree that the unit needs improvement in pass protection, but not so sure the run game is such a big issue. However, we are 5th there in C-USA, so guess could be improved as well.

TE Coach John Bill has ties from USF, but as a grad assistant. And his position saw direct daily contact and development with an All-AAC player. And he took a promotion to leave USF. I will say that the TE unit appears to be under utilized, but how much influence he has in that is a definite question mark and odds are not terribly much.

RB Coach Chris Perkins has no previous ties. FAU was his first NCAA position in 2017 under Kiffin and he is a holdover. FAU is 5th there as well in C-USA.

DB Coach Stanford Samuels has ties and as hired in 2020. We are currently second in C-USA pass defense efficiency, so he's doing a good job it would seem.

WR Coach Joey Thomas has no ties. While ties is not a direct factor, we could obviously use some improvement at that position as the Owls sit 6th in C-USA in pass offense and could seemingly do better given our talent.

ILB Lance Thompson has no ties. See above about the unit's performance.

I guess what I am saying is that "factually" it doesn't appear that former coaching ties are an issue based on the above. If anything, we have improved this year over last - after we had to deal with major departures from the roster talent wise when Kiffin left and the Robison departure was realized.

What does appear needed immediately are better offensive line play in pass protection, better performance from our wide receiver core on long pass plays, and better special teams play. If we can do that, we should be competitive and have a shot to win out - with some help in Bowling Green (that's going to be a very tough game).

Just my:



 
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Rick said

cbboarder said

It's obvious I'm no WT fan as he isn't a good football coach. With that being said, he's not going anywhere. He'll get a 3rd year (probably longer) to prove his worthiness.

IMO Willie's biggest problem is his buddy network coaching staff because the majority of them suck more than he does….

Yes, he's a good recruiter but he recruits players and not a team. Look at the disaster he left at FSU. All that talent but zero cohesiveness.
Posted On: Nov 7th 2021, 8:17 PM #404806


I'm just a guy who likes to stick to facts and not emotion these days - not that you are, completely understand the frustration, but just to set the stage for my comments below.

Not sure "suck" is a good word to define performance…I mean, at work, when I receive a review, or have given them, there isn't a "sucks" box to check  :Big-Grin:

That said, these are the selections to choose from:

1. Exemplary (two pay grades above current job)
2. Exceeds (one pay grade above current job)
3. Meets (performing at current job with no concerns)
4. Needs Improvement (not preforming current job with concerns, action plan presented, and follow-up review)
5. Unacceptable (action plan with accountability measures to meet within timeframe, or terminated)

I would also have to say that the FSU situation was bad when Taggart took over, and began with Jimbo, who got out of there quickly when he was offered an SEC job and probably also realized he messed up with some character choices on recruits (to remain competitive) and how hard it would be to correct. Taggart took the job (probably shouldn't have) and then would realize the most downfall in mop-up duty as a result of that. Some of the guys who signed were no where near what they should have been for that level of play. Did they underperform? That's up for debate but not relevant to us in all reality.

Anyways, as for his previous stop as Oregon, Taggart left it better than he found it, and will now move on to coaching ties and the "buddy network" stance:

OC Michael Johnson was obviously an Oregon connection, but he didn't arrive here until after Taggart gave two guys who had no connection an opportunity - Clint Trickett and Drew Mehringer. Just how much influence they had is up for debate, and maybe money played a part, as well as continuity, but the fact is no OC was hired. Since he was hired we're not at the bottom anymore and grace top 5 in most team categories. So, definite improvement, although not where fans want us to be. Will say that it takes time, and having a passing game driven by a QB which currently sits at 59% is not going to help that either.

DC Mike Stoops has zero ties to Taggart other than FAU. No one seemed to have objection with Jim Leavitt being brought in. The former is doing well, and the latter did as well.

LB Coach Raymond Woodie has ties, and that core is doing well. He was also noted as a Top 3 recruiter in C-USA for 2021 by 247 based on their rankings (which we reported on) so bonus there.

OL Coach Ed Warinner has no ties. Everyone would agree that the unit needs improvement in pass protection, but not so sure the run game is such a big issue. However, we are 5th there in C-USA, so guess could be improved as well.

TE Coach John Bill has ties from USF, but as a grad assistant. And his position saw direct daily contact and development with an All-AAC player. And he took a promotion to leave USF. I will say that the TE unit appears to be under utilized, but how much influence he has in that is a definite question mark and odds are not terribly much.

RB Coach Chris Perkins has no previous ties. FAU was his first NCAA position in 2017 under Kiffin and he is a holdover. FAU is 5th there as well in C-USA.

DB Coach Stanford Samuels has ties and as hired in 2020. We are currently second in C-USA pass defense efficiency, so he's doing a good job it would seem.

WR Coach Joey Thomas has no ties. While ties is not a direct factor, we could obviously use some improvement at that position as the Owls sit 6th in C-USA in pass offense and could seemingly do better given our talent.

ILB Lance Thompson has no ties. See above about the unit's performance.

I guess what I am saying is that "factually" it doesn't appear that former coaching ties are an issue based on the above. If anything, we have improved this year over last - after we had to deal with major departures from the roster talent wise when Kiffin left and the Robison departure was realized.

What does appear needed immediately are better offensive line play in pass protection, better performance from our wide receiver core on long pass plays, and better special teams play. If we can do that, we should be competitive and have a shot to win out - with some help in Bowling Green (that's going to be a very tough game).

Just my:



 

Posted On: Nov 7th 2021, 10:39 PM #404810

End of thread lol.
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Rick said

cbboarder said

It's obvious I'm no WT fan as he isn't a good football coach. With that being said, he's not going anywhere. He'll get a 3rd year (probably longer) to prove his worthiness.

IMO Willie's biggest problem is his buddy network coaching staff because the majority of them suck more than he does….

Yes, he's a good recruiter but he recruits players and not a team. Look at the disaster he left at FSU. All that talent but zero cohesiveness.
Posted On: Nov 7th 2021, 8:17 PM #404806


I'm just a guy who likes to stick to facts and not emotion these days - not that you are, completely understand the frustration, but just to set the stage for my comments below.

Not sure "suck" is a good word to define performance…I mean, at work, when I receive a review, or have given them, there isn't a "sucks" box to check  :Big-Grin:

That said, these are the selections to choose from:

1. Exemplary (two pay grades above current job)
2. Exceeds (one pay grade above current job)
3. Meets (performing at current job with no concerns)
4. Needs Improvement (not preforming current job with concerns, action plan presented, and follow-up review)
5. Unacceptable (action plan with accountability measures to meet within timeframe, or terminated)

I would also have to say that the FSU situation was bad when Taggart took over, and began with Jimbo, who got out of there quickly when he was offered an SEC job and probably also realized he messed up with some character choices on recruits (to remain competitive) and how hard it would be to correct. Taggart took the job (probably shouldn't have) and then would realize the most downfall in mop-up duty as a result of that. Some of the guys who signed were no where near what they should have been for that level of play. Did they underperform? That's up for debate but not relevant to us in all reality.

Anyways, as for his previous stop as Oregon, Taggart left it better than he found it, and will now move on to coaching ties and the "buddy network" stance:

OC Michael Johnson was obviously an Oregon connection, but he didn't arrive here until after Taggart gave two guys who had no connection an opportunity - Clint Trickett and Drew Mehringer. Just how much influence they had is up for debate, and maybe money played a part, as well as continuity, but the fact is no OC was hired. Since he was hired we're not at the bottom anymore and grace top 5 in most team categories. So, definite improvement, although not where fans want us to be. Will say that it takes time, and having a passing game driven by a QB which currently sits at 59% is not going to help that either.

DC Mike Stoops has zero ties to Taggart other than FAU. No one seemed to have objection with Jim Leavitt being brought in. The former is doing well, and the latter did as well.

LB Coach Raymond Woodie has ties, and that core is doing well. He was also noted as a Top 3 recruiter in C-USA for 2021 by 247 based on their rankings (which we reported on) so bonus there.

OL Coach Ed Warinner has no ties. Everyone would agree that the unit needs improvement in pass protection, but not so sure the run game is such a big issue. However, we are 5th there in C-USA, so guess could be improved as well.

TE Coach John Bill has ties from USF, but as a grad assistant. And his position saw direct daily contact and development with an All-AAC player. And he took a promotion to leave USF. I will say that the TE unit appears to be under utilized, but how much influence he has in that is a definite question mark and odds are not terribly much.

RB Coach Chris Perkins has no previous ties. FAU was his first NCAA position in 2017 under Kiffin and he is a holdover. FAU is 5th there as well in C-USA.

DB Coach Stanford Samuels has ties and as hired in 2020. We are currently second in C-USA pass defense efficiency, so he's doing a good job it would seem.

WR Coach Joey Thomas has no ties. While ties is not a direct factor, we could obviously use some improvement at that position as the Owls sit 6th in C-USA in pass offense and could seemingly do better given our talent.

ILB Lance Thompson has no ties. See above about the unit's performance.

I guess what I am saying is that "factually" it doesn't appear that former coaching ties are an issue based on the above. If anything, we have improved this year over last - after we had to deal with major departures from the roster talent wise when Kiffin left and the Robison departure was realized.

What does appear needed immediately are better offensive line play in pass protection, better performance from our wide receiver core on long pass plays, and better special teams play. If we can do that, we should be competitive and have a shot to win out - with some help in Bowling Green (that's going to be a very tough game).

Just my:



 

Posted On: Nov 7th 2021, 10:39 PM #404810

Rick - First off, thanks for all that you do for The Owl's Nest. I (we) don't say it enough but your efforts are truly appreciated.

Okay, full disclosure…I don't work in Corporate America. I'm a lowly Sales Engineer for a commercial construction rep firm. I've been dealing with blue collar construction guys/girls for over 20 yrs. Needless to say but we use a lot of 4 letter words, you know like "suck"…. Okay, I'll admit it was a poor choice of words. IMO their "performance" is unacceptable.

Jimbo may have left FSU in a bad situation but WT made it worse. Keep in mind the current FSU team is mainly WT's recruits.

 I'm not convinced WT left Oregon in a better state but it's irrelevant to our situation as well.

As far as the buddy network, I'll have to do some research but I was thinking that was always one of the knocks on WT. I want to say it was discussed here when FAU hired him.

At the end of the day, all the on field issues are the HFC's responsibility. Dropped passes, poor line play, missed assignments etc….Week after week this team comes out flat. That's on Willie T. We have too much talent to lose by double digits to conference rivals.

I hope WT proves me wrong….
  
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2020 Head Coach Candidates to Replace Kiffin - FAU Owl's Nest

Rick - Honest question, what changed your opinion? I assume you have had considerable interaction with the team and coaches.   
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cbboarder said

2020 Head Coach Candidates to Replace Kiffin - FAU Owl's Nest

Rick - Honest question, what changed your opinion? I assume you have had considerable interaction with the team and coaches.   
Posted On: Nov 8th 2021, 1:10 AM #404813

He became Florida Atlantic coach.  Gotta tow the line if you cover them
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